angelremingtonYou can do what you want in fact since you are boastful well here is the manual download it and do a better job than me here is the source http://www.airwar.ru/other/bibl/mig-25rb_aero.html
read it translate it and later you tell me if Iraqi_pilot is in agreement with the manual specially about the Mach 2.35 speed at 10km.
you can go to the 4th chapter around page 90.
translate it and prove the MiG-25 flies at 13km at the speed of Mach 2.83 or it flies as Iraqi_Pilots says at mach 2.3 at 10km of altitude.
let us see as you bark you do bite.
By the way you need to read a bit of physics before claiming the speed of sound is the same for all altitudes;)
i do not need to read the manual and i do not need to read physics and i do not need to prove anything to you, but you do need to read a bit more English probably as you didn’t seem to understand a word of what i said above.
As for me claiming that the speed of sound is same at all altitudes – go see above as to what i said, i said i don’t care if it is not the same, most of time when mach number (as for speed of aircraft) is quoted it is quoted @ sea level and @ certain temperature (1224km/h). in relation to ground distance if something is 2000km/h away and if you fly @ 2000km/h it takes 1 hour to get there, regardless if you fly @ sea level, 1000 meters high, 10000 or 30000 – that was the point i was making, in that regard.
just because your beloved manual says something doesn’t prove that someone didn’t do it or the aircraft wont do it.
Perhaps Iraqi_Pilot maybe wrong, but may not be – i have more reason to believe him than you, you were the one that quoted the manual and that it said can only do MACH 0.92 @ 10000 meters and other funny figures – not him.
My car manual tells me not to exceed the maximum safe speed limit – it doesn’t stop me driving @ 200km/h it tells me to service it @ 15000km/h it doesn’t stop me to service it @18500 it tells me maximum load of 5 passingers it doesn’t stop me from carrying 6…. it tells me not to rev the engine past the red line (6000 RPM), it still goes to 8000 – all that has consequences of course but it doesn’t mean can’t do it.
If someone’s chasing you or launched a missile – who gives a sh!t what the manual says…..
but guess what: you can have the last word here, after all you have the manual and you are right…..
Let me just for the record and for the benefit of others, remind us who claimed mig-25 can not go supersonic @ 10000 meters again….. wait – it was you!
that was the whole point, that you turned into the usual bullsh!t, same as with every other thread……. goodbye
angelremingtonWhy you do not take a mature attitude, a forum is to learn and to increase knowledge, you do not care about the manual simply because you can not read it or do not want to read it, the manual has accurate data, not gossips or speculations.
I prefer to have exact data not gossips or speculation and the main reason i rechecked my data was simply because since you said i was wrong it forced me to do a better job and be more proffesional besides i was not completly sure about my original statement so i decided to recheck the source and re-reading the manual i found i was wrong about the max speed at 10km, however i knew all along it won`t achieve Mach 2.35 at 10km.
Therefore in order to do a better translation and give accurate information i read it twice.
Now you like it or not that is a flight manual and i have given it to you to traslate it by your self if you are not satisfied with my translation but i am pretty sure my translations are accurate most of the time.
ok, let me reply to you one more time:
1. Yes, forum is to learn something or share opinions etc – i do not see what i can possibly learn from you – you keep quoting sources graphs and manuals that you don’t even know what they mean.
2. i do not care about the manual, yes – because you are telling us what it says, you don’t have idea yourself, if you did you would not have quoted in the first place that it can not go supersonic @ 10000 meters. then switched to something irrelevant to the first argument – acceleration etc….
3. if i need to read or look at a manual for something i’ll go and find it – guaranteed, i do not need or care about it because all it takes is common sense to figure out that Mig – 25 can go supersonic @ 10000 meters – it is the fastest operational fighter aircraft ever capable of almost m3 top speed – of course it can go supersonic @ 10000 meters.
That was the whole point of my “i don’t care of the manual” answer to you, don’t you get it…. you can have all the manuals and data in the world if you don’t know what to make of it – it is useless.
I do not need to see the manual to figure out that mig-25 can go supersonic @ 10000 meters… i know you edited and corrected your post…. but that is the point you just jumped to a conclussion without thinking or using common sense and you went to attack someone who (it is a good chance) had something to do with mig-25 or even flown it…. who may be speaking from experience (iraaf_pilot), i find his claims a bit strange too in some posts but either way even if he had anything to do with Iraq airforce during the war his presence here is valuable and it is not in our best interest to attack him without checking facts or proving otherwise.
yes, i can learn something from Iraq_pilot.
angelremingtonLet us by parts, i edited my post to put correct information, second i am not hiding my information and sources, niether i am stubborn to say did not i make a mistake, i have admited my mistake.
Now wrong i am not as you want to portrait me since you are wrong about the speed of sound, as altitude increases it drops, so at high altitude 3000km/h equal Mach 2.8 since the speed of sound is lower at 18km of altitude because the atmosphere is less dense and is colder.
Besides he is wrong the MiG-25 won`t achieve speeds of Mach 2.35 at 10km and the manual proves it
Who cares if the speed of sound changes with the altitude… for someone measuring clocking from the ground – aircraft travelling at say 1000km/h @ 1000, 10000 or 30000 meters is the same…..
As for the manual…. who cares… it could be a guideline or recommendation or a rule not necessarily a limit of the aircraft or could be – in case of RB with load (bombs?) … similar when a manual says not to exceed load of say 7g or 9g the aircraft maybe able to do 10 or 11G at the end – who cares… it does not say necessarily it can not do it… may not be safe to do it or not recommended to do it etc… not impossible to do it
Anyway, i’m not really interested to debate with you any more…. i use my own logics and common sense not blindly following manuals links graphs etc that i do not i understand or know how to read or translate etc
and then missinterprate them or missquoting them…
Have a nice day:)
angelremingtonIRAF_PILOT is not right and i can prove it with the manual.
By the way the speed of sound changes with altitude but the manual says Mach 2.35 equals 2500km/h.
By the way 3000km is not mach 2.4
well you can prove with the manual – what? your original claim – you edited it, that is not how you admitted you were wrong – you cheated, you said in your original reply to him that @ 10000 meters can’t go supersonic…
I’m never was 100% sure what the speed of sound is i knew was about 1000+ km/h, i just checked, as i indicated above earlier it seems to be about 340 m/s which works out @ about 1224 km/h (someone correct me if i’m wrong)
So 3000 km/h divided @ 1224 km/h = 2.45 so Mach 2.45? correct? not mach 2.83!
Besides that was not the argument it was that you were saying that it wont go supersonic @ 10000 meters i said it can go supersonic and possibly even Mach 2! That is strictly me saying and speaking by common sense and general knowledge without me claiming manuals etc….
As for the 3000km/h @ 13000 meters as i already indicated, the first link that came in google search says that – aeronautics.ru………
angelremingtonMistaken i was but i corrected me and i can prove it to you you are wrong by giving you this page from the MiG-25RB manual see it it says it won`t go beyond below 18km at speeds higher tham Mach 2.8 and you can not argue with a MiG-25RB manual
Well the above 3000km/h @ 13000 meters altitude, is not more than m2.8 is it???!
3000km/h = ~ mach 2.45
still nothing to do with can not go supersonic @ 10000 meters or even Mach 2 for that matter…
You insulted and accused the IRAF_PILOT for making false claims while you making false claims yourself…
angelremingtonHere it is, your original claim and post since, i see you edited it:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiG-23MLD
According to the manual you are wrong, at 10000 meters the MiG-25 can not reach supersonic speeds, it is limited to Mach 0.92, so my conclusions you have not proven you flew in a MiG-25.
If you were a real pilot you would know the MiG-25 needs higher altitudes to reach that speed
you were clearly claiming can not go supersonic @ 10000 meters, now weren’t you???!
For someone who obviosly loves the Migs or Russian Aircraft you don’t seem to have any idea what are you talking about…
I mean don’t get me wrong I have a soft spot for the MIGS and Sukhoi’s, that would explain why last year i went all the way from Australia to Moscow to see MAKS 2007, but at same time i do not go around talking nonsense and making false claims – or later edit them change them…. without even admitting you were wrong
angelremingtonSee this graph, it is the horizontal speed graph for the MiG-25BR, taken from airwar.ru, in it is very clear that from 0-5km it will reach Mach 1, from 5km-10km it will reach Mach 1.5, from 10 to 15km will reach mach 2, from 15km to 17km will reach mach 2.8
Well, again this is different that what you were claiming before isn’t it?
You were saying that it can do only Mach 0.92 @ 10000 meters so, not even supersonic @ 10000 meters – you said that not anyone else!!!
I do not need to look at the graph, you do as you were making claims that don’t make sense.
Here’s the first link that comes on google search about it’s speed @ sea level, and max level speed @ 13000 meters = 3000km/h etc etc…
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vvs/mig25-01.htm
Max level speed
at 13,000 m (42,650 ft ,620 kts (3,000 km/h; 1,865 mph)
at S/L Mach 0.98 (647 kts; 1,200 km/h; 745 mph)
the last above clearly says Mach 0.98 @ sea level and not M0.92 @ 10000 meters, i think i was correct when i said it will not only go supersonic @ 10000 meters but probably Mach 2 as well.
you are mixing acceleration and max speed for some reason, i think…
angelremingtonno that is not correct, the MiG-25 achieves its best acceleration at 10km so by more than 10-11km it can reach Mach 1.5 and by 13km to 15km it can reach speeds of 2000km/h, however i will explain it can reach Mach 1.5 at the most at 11km level flight, but climbing in its best time to climb it won`t pass Mach 0.92.
So by 10km it can fly at level flight at the most at Mach1.5, at 5km ist max speed is Mach 1, but climbing in its minimal time won`t pass Mach 0.92
Well, now you are talking acceleration… it was speed in qustion earlier, you said can only do Mach 0.92 @ 10000 meters?! or was i mistaken?
Even @ sea level (0 meters altitude) can fly @ supersonic speed i.e. 1200 km/h, not sure exactly what Mach 1 is but i think about ~ 1060 km.h…..
So, there you go
angelremingtonThe MiG-25RB manual stablishes that between 7km and 10km of altitude the MiG-25 is limited to Mach 0.92 at best and only at more than 16km it can start flying at Mach 2.35 and beyond 17km it can start flying at mach 2.6 to Mach 2.8, in fact it can bomb at altitudes of 21km at speeds of Mach 2.35.
The MiG-25 at low altitudes is a sitting duck, it needs to fly high to be really good, one of the reason the Israelies shot down the syrian MiG-25PDs was simply the MiG-25s were flying too low, also that is the reason no MiG-25 was flown at high altitudes in 1982 over the bekka valley and no combat happened between the Israeli F-15s and the Syrian MiG-25PDs in June 1982
Are you sure about all this?
MIG 25 reaches maximum level speed of Mach 2.83 @ 13000 meters….
Max speed @ sea level is about 1200km/h well into supersonic range…
Trhere’s no way in the world MIG – 25 wont reach supersonic @ 10000 meters or Mach 2 for that matter….
sources… common sense and logics, besides you are the MIG expert – you find the sources… you must be confused maybe you are looking @ feet instead of meters or something else….
I’d like to be proven wrong though….
regards
AR
angelremingtonWell, it is a Graupner, made in Germany same type of prop that i have used on some of my RC planes:)
angelremingtonExcellent video here of the F-22 routine. (The “high quality” version is over 40 Mb). (Check out the cool stuff with the air at 3:15 too.)
Thankyou, very nice:)
I’m not the greatest fan of the raptor but i definitely loved this one, very impressive, i loved it with the P-51 @ the end too!
angelremingtonLooking at these photos, I can see why it was being called the platypus at one stage.
Well, it does look a bit like platypus, but way too cool:cool:
In fact i think cool times 10!
I took these @ MAKS 🙂
angelremingtonThe cyrillic script says Aleksander Molodchiy, a famous Soviet aviator. All of the Tu-160s are named for famous Soviet and Russian individuals.
Yes, i think it is about right although my Russian cyrilics is not the best:)
Here’s another one that says: Vasilij Senko ( i think), i took this photo from MAKS 2007 last year, oh boy i loved it.
angelremingtonMost people on these forums don’t like the Hornet series, but I’ll discuss it with you as I happen to actually like the airplane.
I’m hoping the usual suspects don’t come by to ruin your thread. Perhaps they will be respectful to you.
Well, me too;)
I’m not sure what is it about the Superhornet but i love it and its looks.
Performancewise etc, i also think it does what it suppose to do and quite well.
I certainly enjoyed it’s display @ Avalon Airshow ’07 and took many pics of it:)
I even spoke to one of the pilots and got a pic taken and i was given a SH pin by him too;)
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