Well, these are fighter aircraft we are talking about, not your local store pudding mix. Building a fighter like the JF-17 isn’t as easy as some of us make it out to be 😉
Brazil has built the AMX alongwith Italy and could easily attempt a JF-17 level fighter with a partner for specific technologies it needs. As far as an aeronautical industry goes anyway, Brazil is way ahead of Pakistan in every way and in the civilian sphere, ahead of China. So if the requirement arose, it could definitely come up with a JF-17 level fighter. So while it may not be a pudding mix, if China could do a JF-17, so can Brazil. What they’re looking for is 4+ gen technology, not a 3 gen fighter, otherwise they could easily have come up with an AMX follow-on or a derivative or a new design itself.
As others have mentioned, the JF-17 won’t stand up to the technical specs that the Brazilians are looking at for the FX-2. I mean we’re talking about a FX-2 contest where the F-16 Block 60 was eliminated in the early rounds itself and you’re seriously asking if the JF-17 would be considered in place of Rafale, Gripen NG and Super Hornet ? Even in Pakistan, the F-16 Block 50 itself is considered superior to the JF-17 so where does the JF-17 even stand the remotest of chances of being competitive enough to win in Brazil ?
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Indeed the tail is huge..and it does bear a passing resemblance to the F-16XL design in plan view, doesn’t it ? only major difference is the side mounted air intakes.
The thing is this. You can buy twin engined. You CAN also maintain it. But, it comes down at how you distribute funding inside your armed forces. For example, if you buy something that requires 2 or 3 times the maintenance cost of a Gripen, you can divert the money there, but it will be money that you will cut from elsewhere (navy? army?).
At the end, is about administrating your funds. My opinion, which i have said before, is that IAF has too many aircraft types to have them doing overlapping missions and with overlapping abilities. You must see for the MMRCA WHAT is the sector that you miss something and thus need to fill a gap and buy for that role the most cost-effective solution. This is how an airforce with diverse aircraft types, can transform the financial loss into an advantage. For example, if you think you lack in A-A, buy more PAK-FA, no reason to buy for MMRCA something that will be better in A-A.
This, because you have an arms race against China, who is spending more than you. So, having more aircraft types, is costly. But can give operational gains, if they cover better different roles. If you buy many aircraft types that more or less do the same things at the same level of proficiency, IMHO you ‘re wasting your money. Maybe your airforce will be OK, but it’s money that you will cut from some navy or land system.
In 2 words, there are 2 ways to go: a) Point to uniformity of the fleet. Few aircraft types, that like it or not will have to do everything, b) Point to multipe aircraft types, which will cost more, but, if used wisely each to its strong point, will pay off in operational gains. But, if you just buy many types, overlapping, with the most expensive choices out there, you ‘re doing wrongly both a) and b) and the only result, is that in the long run the Chinese invest their money more efficiently.
Aspis, with all due respect, the Greek financial crisis seems to make you think that the same financial crunch is affecting India too or is about to hit soon.
That is not the case. India spends only around 2.5% of its GDP on defence and even out of that, a very big percentage of capital expenditure gets returned at the end of the year since the bureaucracy means that money meant to be spent doesn’t get spent. India can afford to both acquire and fly 126 twin seat fighters. It will be cheaper to acquire and fly 126 single seaters but really, money is NOT the biggest problem for India.
Kramer, there are some great shots of the IAF by Wng Cdr RS Chauhan on his Flickr link..not seen them posted here before.
Jaguar IMs. I suppose that all Jaguar DARIN-IIIs will now look somewhat similar since they’re getting radars too. That means the radome similar to the Jaguar IM will be used
Suryakirans

Phalcon escorted by 3 MiG-29s
Pair of MiG-29s
What a loadout ! 20 OFAB 250 kg bombs on that MKI


EMB-135 K-3602 Vayudoot at Leh
Hawk Mk-132
Tejas Mk1 pics from ADA’s calendar. They were scanned and put up on BRF, so the quality is not as good one might have hoped, but good pics nevertheless.

PV-5 twin seater.
Tejas at Leh
more pics at Tejas pics from ADA calendar
A practical problem is the current Tejas version do not have a IFR probe so it will be impossible for it to get to Europe in its own power.
Impossible huh ? How did non IFR probe equipped JF-17s get there then ? djinn power perhaps ?:rolleyes:
Indian airline IndiGo is to order 180 Airbus A320s, and the Indian Air Force will order another 42 HAL-built Sukhoi Su-30MKIs, according to http://www.flightglobal.com today. In view of the Machiavellian political nature of major arms purchases, could this an indication that an American aircraft will win the MMRCA contract?
Indigo is a private airline. Their purchase of Airbus A320s has NOTHING to do with any arms purchase from EU or USA.
This is part of the 272 final number?
Yes I think so. The IAF was supposed to get 42 more Su-30MKIs in addition to the 230 already on order. 2 were lost in accidents and thats the reason they’re getting 42 more instead of just 40 for 2 squadrons.
Tejas trainer KH-T2009 at the IOC ceremony.

The HJT-36 Sitara is to get its IOC in June.
Just more rumours that’s all. There have been such “exclusives” in the past as well..
N-LCA’s delays were due to lack of confidence in the landing gear design and “some other issues”..apparently these are being tackled and they are looking to have its first flight in the next 3 months.
Elbit DASH HMDS on the Tejas.

so if the IAF says its not 4th gen, then I assume its 3rd gen, like the MiG-21
He called it a MiG-21++ when he said it was “NOT YET” 4th gen but that it will get there. I think that implies that its capabilities as they stand today are not yet classifiable as being 4th gen. He didn’t say that it is 3rd gen and will stay there. A MiG-21 Bison will be 3rd gen come what may. The Tejas Mk1 when it achieves FOC will be a true 4th gen fighter.
The implication about capabilities as they stand today is quite true in one sense- It is still only a WVR capable fighter and hasn’t yet been tested for anything else but dumb bombs and there are certain aerodynamic tests that are yet to be done.
What this illustrates is also quite clear. That the IAF considers itself to be simply a customer, rather than a partner and that too a very demanding customer. A customer will wait and expect everything delivered as promised, as ACM Naik implied, whereas a partner is invested in the project and will contribute positively to try and reduce the wait time and will also look at the big picture when making such remarks. Quite disappointing to say the least, even though they are tasked with the defence of India’s air space, one would hope that they should see the larger picture here. This is where the Indian Navy truly stands out as being visionary rather than being reactionary like the IAF.