once again L.M is referring to gripen C since F-35 cant compete with gripen E on range,
save for heavy A2G loads.the fact that L.M keep referring to C when in all competitions its up against E,
is telling, no different from giving data on VW when comparing to a Porsche, and pretend to be honest,
after all, its the same manufacturer
read the year of the article – 2009. There was no Gripen E back then to even take into consideration. And its a fact that all sorts of trickery is used to inflate range figures and make it look way better than it really is. The LM modelling is biased towards the F-35 obviously- 4 internally carried AMRAAMs on the F-35 should have been compared with 4 externally carried missiles on the Su-30MKI and all other fighters for an apples to apples comparison.
But the part on the Gripen’s Maximum Mission Radius being 502 NM, in a hi-hi-hi profile with 1 minute of combat, while carrying a weapon load and external tanks..lets just say politely that Gripen fanboys have been peddling much higher radius figures (830 NM/1550 km radius!). That’s more than what LM states the Su-30MKI’s Max Mission Radius is without external fuel tanks. So I know whom to believe and whom not to, even if LM was deliberately creating a scenario that favoured its F-35.
Still one more input into the discussion:
If anything this scenario is very generous to the Gripen because its performance while carrying three tanks is going to be extremely limited. (meanwhile an Su-30 or F-35 are flying clean and have their full performance available, to say nothing of 50% greater range)
That snippet from the modelling done by LM is illuminating..there are so many posters on this forum who blow a lot of smoke about range and performance, but the real figures are nowhere near the exaggerated numbers that so many people quote liberally on the internet.
That’s my account of the force structure in 2022. That’s why the MiG-27 has been excluded and the Rafale & Tejas included.
The Bisons were originally scheduled to be retired by 2022, but that’s extendable to 2025. I’m guessing 2 sqs. will persist past 2022 and be replaced by the Tejas Mk1A by 2024. Unless the MoD seals a deal for a new Western type, in which case they might be retired by 2022-23.
As to the last point, I wouldn’t take Wikipedia figures at face value. The MiG-21 figures for one seem like total rubbish, or perhaps just outdated. The MiG-27UPGs constitute 4 sqds, maybe less (I’m not sure about the retirement schedule).
There are in all 3 squadrons of MiG-27MLs and about half a squadron’s worth with TACDE and 2 squadrons of the MiG-27UPG, plus 5 squadrons of the MiG-21M/MF that will be retired. Another 2 squadrons of MiG-21Bis as well. And then another 6 MiG-21 Bison squadrons that will need to be replaced.
So in all 5.5 MiG-27s + 5 MiG-21M/MF + 2 MiG-21Bis + 6 MiG-21 Bison squadrons = 18.5 squadrons will be retired in a phased manner by 2025.
And the orbat by 2025 will look like this, with some rounding off for possible attrition:
14 Su-30MKI squadrons – ~270 Su-30MKIs
3 Mirage-2000I squadrons – ~50 Mirage-2000Is
3 MiG-29UPG squadrons – ~60 MiG-29UPGs
6 Jaguar squadrons – ~120 Jaguars
2 Tejas Mk1 squadrons – 40 Tejas Mk1s
4 Tejas Mk1A squadrons (if deliveries start in 2019 @16 per year) – 83 Tejas Mk1As
2 Rafale squadrons – 36 Rafales
So a total of about 33 squadrons
There were only 38 MiG-27s upgraded to the UPG standard. So just 2 squadrons and not 4.
Overall, the IAF didn’t see any real worth in keeping this type going past 2020, even though the UPG upgrade was quite a leap for the type, considering how obsolescent the non-upgraded MiG-27 was.
An unexpected guest during the recent highway landing exercises, I’ve heard of FOD and bird strikes, but a fighter being taken out by a stray dog would have been a first.
Yes, a first for a dog, but not the first for an animal..remember the PAF F-16 that was lost to a wild boar that ran onto the runway at Sargodha?
Upgraded Jaguar DARIN 3 achieves IOC
Bengaluru, November 23, 2016:
Air Marshal RKS Bhadauria, AVSM, VM, Dy. Chief of the Air Staff, flew the upgraded Jaguar DARIN-III twin-seat aircraft at HAL airport recently and announced satisfactory completion of Initial Operation Clearance (IOC) of Jaguar DARIN III Upgrade. Wg. Cdr. V. Prabhakaran, Test Pilot, ASTE was his co-pilot.
Reacting to the development, Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL said the aircraft is now equipped with world class avionics system. Air Marshal Bhadauria congratulated all those involved in achieving this milestone and said the DARIN III Upgrade is one of best upgrades in terms of data handling and overall capabilities.
The total design and development covering system requirement capture, specification preparation, software, hardware, electrical and mechanical design and development were carried out indigenously at HAL’s Mission & Combat System Research & Design Centre (MCSRDC) and aircraft modification was done at Overhaul Division, added Mr. Raju.
Mr D.K Venkatesh, Director (Engg. and R & D), Mr. R Kaveri Renganathan, CEO (BC), Air Vice Marshal Sandeep Singh, AVSM, VM, Commandant ASTE and other senior executives witnessed the flight. Besides HAL, certification agencies, trial team of ASTE and other agencies were involved in the upgrade programme. Three DARIN I Standard Jaguars have been upgraded to DARIN III Standard by HAL.
The upgrade incorporates new state of the art avionics architecture including the Open System Architecture Mission Computer (OSAMC), Engine & Flight Instrument System (EFIS), Fire Control Radar, State of the Art Inertial Navigation System with GPS and Geodetic height correction, Solid State Digital Video Recording System (SSDVRS), Solid State Flight Data Recorder (SSFDR), Smart Multi-Function Display (SMD), Radio Altimeter with 20000 ft range, Autopilot with Alt Select & HNAV and Identification of Friend or Foe (IFF).
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More images from the recent series of landings by Su-30MKI and Mirage-2000I and TI jets on the Lucknow-Agra expressway





Indian Navy to get additional P8I submarine hunter, reconnaissance aircraft in 2020
SEATTLE: The Indian Navy will get its additional P8I submarine killer, maritime reconnaissance aircraft starting July 2020, with work being initiated at the Boeing facility here to deliver an updated version of the combat plane.
The boost to the Indian fleet will come at a time when the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), which has been growing at a scorching pace over the past decade, is projected to have over 70 submarines in service.
India, which already operates eight of the long range sea patrol aircraft, has placed an order for an additional four planes in July this year and the Navy has shared an undisclosed list of upgrades and new features that it requires on the new planes, a senior Boeing executive has shared.
“We are looking forward to delivering the options in the July 2020 timeframe. We also have a long list of upgrades that the Indian Navy is interested in, we are working on that,” Mark Jordan, Chief Engineer of the P8 program said.
While the Boeing official did not share details of the upgrades being discussed, the Indian Navy is also likely to contract for a simultaneous upgrade of its existing fleet of eight plans to the latest standard.
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yes, wwe had a thread about a hot pilot who died in her j-10. should’ve made it two engined
Didn’t see that thread. But looks like there have been more J-10 crashes even prior to the ones I mentioned in my earlier post.