Pilot dies as PAF Mirage jet crashes in Karachi
This is the third fatal crash of a manned fighter of the PAF within a month..first a F-7PG in Khyber, then a JF-17 that crashed over the Arabian Sea and now this Mirage over Karachi..
altho i agree f-16 carry heavy loads better, i dont think bomb hauling constitute ‘most regards’,
and gripen does win on a couple of points here too, namely sortie generation, improvised air field capable, and cheaper per bomb per target.
Sortie generation on the basis of turn-around times? the Gripen E will be expected to have lower reliability than the F-16 Block 70 for a while till all its systems mature and the bugs and kinks are ironed out. And how is the Gripen E going to offer a “cheaper bomb per target” when you consider that the Gripen E will most likely cost more than the F-16 Block 70, especially so when you consider that the F-16 line already exists and does not have to be built in parallel. it will be disassembled and then reassembled, instead of having 3 duplicate lines in Brazil, Sweden and India.
On acceleration: agree f-16 should by all accounts accelerate better at subsonic speed, but it is far from given that is the case from transonic on,
as drag increases, and i dont think anyone in his right mind is going to fly below transonic in battle, or even in hostile environment,
so subsonic acceleration is irrelevant IMO.it is also not so that f-16 “may have certain maneuvering drawbacks in certain situations”
it has, period, 3 times over.
firstly, the norwegian pilots said, in the newspaper Loke linked to, that i’m unable to google, that gripen A/C out-turn f-16
secondly the norwegian f-16 version in turn out-turn block 70
and thirdly gripen E out-turn gripen C
And if the F-16 can accelerate better at subsonic speeds, how is it that the Norwegian pilots in the F-16 were out-turned by the Gripen C? A turning dogfight is after all going to be at subsonic speeds and there the fighter that accelerates better will have an edge.
All this, x>y and y>z hence x>z type analysis is really not applicable in the real world scenario. Otherwise, one could just do a paper analysis and no real evaluation would be needed. Just an example would be the Ecuadorean pilots who claimed that the Kfir and the Cheetah, two fighters with very different T/W ratios (thanks to the Atar engine’s lower thrust), perform very comparably, since the Kfir has slightly higher drag due to a fin root air intake on the Kfir! And like I mentioned earlier, the Gripen C’s Swiss evaluation report was not so glowing, not even for its much vaunted sensor fusion! Not being rated satisfactory for most of the SwAF’s missions was not the best advertisement of the Gripen C. And while the Gripen E is a new aircraft, and will overcome some of the drawbacks pointed out in the Swiss evaluation, one would have to swallow Saab calling it the “World’s most advanced fighter” with a fistful of salt. But then, Saab are masters of PR. But they’re up against LM, another PR master.
on recce, you cant beat a side looking radar when scanning the ground.
lastly if you cant win the sky, then you cant drop bombs at will either, so at least i rate A2A higher,
i’d rate F-22 over B-52 as the better bomb truck if it was the only two available warplanes and i had to pick one
About winning in the sky, the IAF has over 250 Su-30MKIs and now will have 36 Rafales with Meteors. These are going to face off against JF-17s and F-16 Block 52s if at all they are ever to go to war with Pakistan. I know who I would back in such a scenario. Against the J-10s and J-11s and Su-30MKKs and so on, the Gripen E doesn’t bring that much more to the table than what a Su-30MKI with the BARS or Rafale with RBE2 AESA does.
Ideally speaking, the IAF should simply get another 36-40 Rafales off the shelf and call it a day. But that isn’t likely to happen and so this MII tender. But it isn’t like the sole purpose of this new MII tender will be a very capable air to air performer, but rather a versatile jet with a good payload and range. A large arsenal of cheap bombs and standoff weapons that have been integrated already is a big plus.
And an AESA equipped F-16 with the newest AMRAAM variant will be a handful in the air. I don’t think anyone will dispute that.
And the Ka-226T JV is moving ahead as well. This is one of the worst cases of a foreign machine stealing orders from a soon to be in service local product and quid pro quo for something seems to be the only way to explain it.
the HAL designed and built LUH that had its first flight recently, was on the tarmac during the most recent interview of the HAL CMD and its Chief Test Pilot (Rotary) shown on NDTV..and by the time the Ka-226T assembly line will be ready, the LUH will have cleared its IOC. A non-weaponised version would be available for serial production soon after that. And still there will be 2 completely different light utility helicopters in Indian armed forces service.
Russian Helicopters and HAL prepare for Indian Ka-226T
17 October, 2016
| BY: Greg Waldron
| SingaporeRussian Helicopters and Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) have formed a joint venture for the production of 200 Kamov KA-226T “Sergei” light utility helicopters.
The joint venture will oversee the development of facilities to produce the rotorcraft and maintain them, says Russian Helicopters in a statement.
“The joint venture for local production of Ka-226T is a profoundly new and substantial step in the development of cooperation between India and Russia,” says Rostec chief executive Sergei Chemezov.
“The fleet of Russian-made helicopters in India is over 400 units. But this is the first of such large-scale complex agreements for delivery and production of new helicopters in the amount of 200 units, which is fully in line with the Make in India initiative. In addition, over the next five years there will be facilities set up for maintenance and servicing of the produced helicopters. Therefore the agreement represents not just a contract for production but for full lifecycle support.”
The first 60 helicopters will be produced in Russia, and the subsequent 140 in India.
Indian production facilities need to be ready in five years, and maintenance facilities in seven years.
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In other news, India is finally looking to go ahead on the Heron TP.
India moves closer to acquiring Heron TP
The Indian air force is moving ahead with implementation of a plan to purchase the Israel Aerospace Industries Heron TP unmanned air vehicle, having joined the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) in June.
India is operating the Heron 1 and other smaller Israeli UAVs, but the purchase of a strategic system such as the Heron TP had until recently been put on hold.
Israel is not a member of the regime, which aims to restrict the proliferation of missile technology, but has agreed to export its strategic weapon systems only to member countries.
Last year, India’s Economic Times claimed the government had quietly approved the purchase of 10 armed Heron TP UAVs from Israel. New Delhi has also previously shown interest in the Israeli Arrow surface-to-air anti-ballistic missile system.
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They are not comparing early versions of Gripen or F-16 with LCA-mk1. Although it is clear but if people want to twist the facts, no amount of clarification will help.
What we will be facing in next 10-20 years, tejas can comfortably beat those. So we dont need the light fighter to be Rafale and F-35. It fits the bill, easy to operate, economical to operate and fills the requirements of India.
Pointless conversations, rkumar. Totally pointless. As someone said,
“Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.”
The first time we’re seeing this? RuAF may be interested in purchasing the Brahmos ALCM for its Su-30SM fighters. I would assume that the launcher would be the one developed in India but the strengthening of the airframe will be done at Irkut with HAL assistance?
Russia may buy BrahMos cruise missiles for Su-30SM fighters — source
KUBINKA (Moscow region), September 7. /TASS/. The Russian military are interested in buying the BrahMos cruise missiles, which were developed jointly with India, for equipping its Sukhoi Su-30SM fighters, a military-diplomatic source told TASS on Wednesday.
“The new missile strike system – a plane plus a missile – will be first of all made operational with the Indian Air Force. After that the Russian Air Force, which is very interested, may buy the system,” the source said at the Army 2016 forum.
He added that the negotiations with the Russian side might begin in 2017 after flights tests of the Indian Su-30MKI fighters with the BrahMos missile are completed.
TASS has no official confirmation of the report.
The Indian Air Force fighter with a demonstrator of the BrahMos missile’s air-launched version performed the first flight in summer 2016. The first aircraft launches of the missile are expected to take place before the year end. India plans to equip three regiments of the Su-30MKI fighters with the updated missiles. The Indian military currently have in service the missile’s ground and sea-launched versions.
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Indian government is saying that the last of 120 Tejas will be delivered in 2028.
That is not 16 per year.
the HAL CMD is on record stating that the Tejas production line is going to be scaled up to 16 per year and even more if the private sector joins in.
I thought the Chobam IFR probe on the Tejas would be retractable, similar to the solution on the Jaguar. The images above show a rather crude afterthought solution.
Cobham themselves stated that the Tejas was too tightly packed for the retractable probe to be fitted. And so a fixed probe had been decided long ago. And the design they’ve opted for seems very similar to that on the Mirages.
And in a terrible location for forward visibility. A shoulder location should be better for view and less likely to dump fuel over the windshield. Either way, retractable would have been nicer drag-wise.
This positioning is very similar to what one sees on the Mirage-2000 variants

And on the Mirage F1

So its obvious that view or fuel being dumped over the windshield are unlikely issues else the French would have repositioned the probe elsewhere. But yes, a fixed probe adds drag to whichever aircraft it is added to, but has higher reliability. On the Tejas, there simply wasn’t enough free space to allow for a retractable probe.
Naval LCA prototype NP1 with its LEVCONs deflected upwards

An interesting and picturesque image created from two subsequent frames from the 2013 winter trials at Leh. As the landing speeds are always higher at higher altitudes, the fighter pilots normally come for couple of go-arounds and then land safely with the correct touchdown speed.
The beautiful Spituk monastery, the hallmark of Leh town, can be seen in the background.
