i guess the whole concept behind it was to get the pilot to act as a tacticial and not a manager of systems…sounds cool…

if the USAF is oh so bad in exercisez and every one beats it then um what is the fuss about really..why so many pages…maybe the thread should have been “”AGAIN “” “”US GETS 100TH WAKE UP CALL””……it is a known thing that the su-30 is superior to the f-15 and the AF has been saying it for long time that no longer the EAGLE enjoys total advantage….infact that kept the raptor alive through some tough times….this just prooves it….that is if things actually happened to a degree that they happened. and since when have ameican parents gotten superpowers to generate exceptionally bright fighter pilots….it is something gained through hard work and training…which isnt restricted to USAF….equally well trained pilots from india which can be said that passed a more rigourous selection process to fly the top fighter in their inventory…again is that all what defines a good pilot…what about other tactics , AD negotiation , ground attack capability , mission planning capability???? we have to realize that the best pilot is one who can maximze the effeciency of the technology that he/ she fights with …which in this case was different with the different forces…..learning to fight with awaacs isnt something bad at all…it is an advantage that USAF enjoys due to the numbers so why not fully maxemize it….i think i would rather like my pilots to USE the tech they have to maximum effeciency rather then to train more for a everything gone wrong scenario and become unable to reconganize the full potential of the wider dimensions of technology that it pocesses

do u have any pics or info on the sabre warrior

are we looking at the gripen cost on a purely export order basis or its fly away cost as per the swedish service procurment..i have heard 30 million fly away quoted. i think it would be more fairer to compare the unit cost of the gripens in the home market as the cost of other fighters LCA / J-10 are also being compared in the home market.

i am not sure but i read somewhere that the UAE paid more then 3 billion+ in development and testing of the block 60 alone.but srbin the su-30mki home produced also doesnt include the cost of basic infrastructure as it is more likely there to begin with in the previous deals.

yeah i get your point….i am for sure that the 42-44 million per unit for the soufa includes the actual development which includes all the goodies the IDF wanted (in some cases were different from the block 52’s) as the available figure is of the total deal for 102 f-16 soufa’s…..also i wasnt able to find any cost fugure on the developmental cost on the su-30MKI either but the information on the rediff post regarding 1 billion dollars for upgradation of the NASIK production facility were not taken into account by me as i couldnt verify through a second source…if someone is able to verify it then it would add another 10-12 million into the actual cost of the indian produced su-30mki….also the total cost of training production crews for the production of the MKI”s as well as getting technicians from russia to overview also adds to the hidden costs to the flanker however there is no real way of making an accurate calculation of all those costs….so i have neglected them aswell…i have also assumed that the cost of maintiance and setting up of maintaince infrastructure must have been absorbed in the earlier deal of initial batch of su-30’s so i have also neglected them…..assuming that most of the viper infrastructure allready exists in isreile they wouldnt need to spend all that much more over and above……

also the soufa cost the IDF or rather USA around 42 million a copy which includes testing

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