some of the best f/a-22 pics that i have seen….here are some more






also for all of u guys in the states make sure to watch ON THE RECORD with gretta on fox news at 10pm on the 28th…..might be a little surprised to see some of the manuevers the f/a-22 performs there
just to add some information i found out the rediff.com website posted the cost of the su-30 purchased by india to be RS. 1.61 billion and that over the years the life cycle cost to be Rs. 4.5 billion. per fighter….the breakup it gives is 300 hours before overhall TBO and 3000 hours before engine change. it also says that a total of us $ 1 billion will be required to set up the plant at nasik. the article was written by one maj gen mehta and i dont know wether it is totally correct or not.
so if they are paying 3.3 billion for 140 jets then the unit royalty cost is aprox 21 million is it not….add to that the development cost which at this moment is only a guess….lets suppose it is 25 million per unit…then u get 46 million per fighter minus weapons and other frills…..also a fact noting is 5.55% inflation per annum
what i dont get is that did india pay 3.3 billion for 140 jets to irkut and sukhoi…..if so that must be over and above the cost of development as why would india pay the sukhoi the cost of manufactering…is it 3.3 billion for royalties for 140 fighter jets…also if sukhoi and irkut benefited from 800 million for 10 fighters then the price comes to 80 million this probably includes all the frills or does it?? it is all so confusing while on one news item there is some other price quoted while a different one is quoted on another….the indian site says it is 37-38 million but is that plus or minus the frills and technical training that occumpanied the initial batches…
i dont see the house trying to shoot itself in the leg by trying to make a statement to the united states….unless ofcource it turns out like iran…but as of now SA wants to increase its interoperability with US and other western forces so going in a tottally different direction may not be that suited to their current plans
yup true but people still flock so let em have some fun
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capitalism…..they are making a killing by selling it at such inflated prices….but i read somewhere that LM was offering to licence the f-16 to india…i think it was 1 for every 4 mig-21’s that were retired or something like that….it would probably be cheaper as things in india are gen cheaper to do cuz of various reasons….i doubt the congress would have approved of it though…..
well every force has its set of problems…and the usaf isnt immune to it…..the indian air-force isnt a bunch of dune coons either getting 20 hours on mig-29’s to see if they are working
Unit cost: F-16A/B , $14.6 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars); F-16C/D,$18.8 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
highly unlikely but official line anyway…..
also i have read that the swedes are paying a net 25-30 mill for their gripens in 98 dolllars…i guess it is all confusing……also the fact that the usaf paid 20 mill+ for their early f-16C’s if u go by the official figures…..
consdering how much tech transfers take place and cost…LM and the pentagon like to ripp people off if u go by that….however there was talk of 500 mill 10 fighter deal with some south american country we were just talkin of not a long time ago….so that brings it down to 50 mill allready…..
well this is all hypothetical of cource as u have said…maybe a much more detailed studies have been done by the buyers….the important thing to note here is that despite all of this i dont see an air force with the requirements of the su30 mki actually buying the b50/52 or vice versa….unless ofcource u take into account politics….also the fact worth noting is contracter and supply stability. and potential cost of upgrades as well as taking into account the cost of bassing , cost of training everyone from a flight crew to maintance people as well sa avaialblity of spares….
OFCOURCE I didnt suggest anywhere that this was the case….only doubt in my mind was regarding greg neubech but regardless that no one really doubts the capability of the indian pilots there…….atleast not me..ALL i am suggesting is that there is so much floating around on this issue all over with views from both the sides that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and there is really no way to find it out unless u declassify the complete report…both the countries wouldnt really do that cuz of diplomatic/poilitical concerns….i am not trying to say that the indian pilots were better then the usaf pilots or vice versa because discussions regarding just that lead to flame wars and really nothing else…i prefer to take the more cautious middle ground…..also the fact that based on a few media reports which are based on a document which is by and large still black and will remain so people tend to form opinions about such things as AESA and all that….are just not correct….if AESA was all that crap or was insignificantly superior to current existing technology and 4th gen plus technology like the parent radar then the results would have shown up during its testing with existing USAF radars …one of the major cases for the AESA radars was the fact that it performed better then legacy systems and was cheaper to maintain and broke down less etc etc….and i never really suggested that indian pilots were trying to please the f/a-22 lobby…those words didnt come out of my mouth…..also the fact that some of those very reports suggest that indian pilots had more training on their sukhois then what elmendorf pilots had on their AESA eagles……
IAF plans to buy US plane
Srinjoy Chowdhury in New Delhi
June 2. — While India and the United States are winding up their current defence policy group meeting, the Indian Air Force is looking to buy an American plane — the C-130 Hercules aircraft for commando missions.
The IAF plans to buy about six such transport planes for a total cost of about Rs 2,000 crore in the coming years for special operations, which means special forces activity, para-dropping and perhaps, air-landed operations. The plane has the advantages of extended range, compared with the Russian-built An-32, currently with the IAF and also, size. This means it can carry more men for a longer distance. Besides, it could be refuelled in the air, an advantage, now that India has the ability to do so.
The plane being considered at is the C-130-J and some discussions have already taken place. The IAF’s Directorate (Operations) Transport and Helicopters has had a look. It is bigger (perhaps by 50 per cent) than the An-32s the IAFs have, but smaller than the huge Russian Il-76 planes, that can carry even a tank. They are proven as well. The famous Israeli rescue operation at Entebbe airport, in Uganda, involved these planes.
India has rarely bought weapons systems from the US in recent times except weapon-locating radars and specialised commando equipment of various kinds in small quantities. There is talk of acquiring the PC-3 Orion for the Navy but why so few C-130s are being bought is a question. Keeping them operational would not be easy either. The IAF, for instance, has about 14-15 Il-76 planes, of which only 8-9 are operational at a time. There is also the political issue. Will this government have close defence ties with the USA? The defence minister, Mr Pranab Mukherjee, may be meeting his US counterpart, Mr Donald Rumsfeld, soon. Many purchases could depend on the state of the bilateral ties.
How’s this for improving the paradrop capabilities which are already the best in all of Asia. So are the recon capabilities of the IAF.
i can give u guys the link but the story needs to be dound out yourselves…it used to be there…
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2&theme=&usrsess=1&id=44760