Sadly this has all got off on the wrong foot which is entirely my fault. I am Deeper Dorset however I have a small band of brilliant supporters around me and good friend Simon Brown is one of them. He has worked very hard on aspects of this project and in his enthusiasm fast moving events got the better of him and he encountered a little brain fade!
The purpose of the post was to engage the historic aviation world in what we do which we think is quite exciting, share it in other words.
I have a background in shipwreck location and rather than blow my own trumpet a google around may be worth while in respect of me, The Shipwreck Project, Deeper Dorset etc.
Unlike other brands of wreck and story hunters we have had quite a bit of success over the years and haven’t asked anyone for a penny until now.
Maritime history and the stories within that history are what we are all about, for us the treasure is in the story.
Normally we deal with shipwrecks in particular very old sites typically pre-19th century, these sites are tough to find often standing only a foot or so above the seabed. Anyone that doubts our success please contact me and I will send you links to some of our finds that we have worked on with Historic England, Wessex Archaeology etc, alternatively if you become a friend of Deeper Dorset you have free access to much of our work on the website, it costs nothing.
This year we have turned our attention to aircraft and due to our setup we are perfectly equipped to find those engines and bits of undercarriage that in the case of the many wartime wrecks is all that remains. I have six aircraft stories to follow up on here off the Dorset Coast some I have mentioned on this forum before and I have been following up on these stories for years, in the case of the Hercules over ten years.
There is more to the Paul Meyer story than the aircraft that is only part of his story, the internet is a minefield of information and misinformation therefore we are not going to get the whole story sat in the chair. Anyone that relies on the net as their source of research is going to be disappointed, we have been out and about on this story over a large part of England.
I have heard every rumour and conspiracy theory there is going, from his body being washed up on the French coast to him escaping to the Eastern block. When it comes to his personal life he was a drunk, he was on drugs, he was screwing around, his wife was screwing around, it is endless. The fact remains he was 23 years old, served in Vietnam, was a good crew chief and had achieved quite a bit in his short life. What on earth made him take it upon himself to do something that to all appears total madness? It is unlikely that we will ever fully understand his actions even though we are in touch with Paul’s family and have their blessing to pursue this story. The family want to know what happened on that day in May 1969, did he crash, was he shot down and where are the remains of the aircraft. Their questions fall on deaf ears and that is what this is all about, someone knows the truth and if they won’t tell we are going looking for it.
We think it was entirely probable he was shot down, wherever were they going to let him try and land? No conspiracy there just makes sense as does the fact he could have crashed mid channel south of Portland Bill. This post is already way to long anyone that wants to know more please do get in touch and in the next week or so we will launch the Kickstarter campaign which is purely to try and cover some of our day to day costs primarily the £200 per day in diesel. We have the equipment, time and expertise already and this project has been all about the passion and the pain in this case self inflicted.
Cheers all at the very least I hope you wish us luck.
Grahame Knott
Yes to be fair we have been the victim of a few tall tales but most of the guys these days certainly around here are very helpful. I guess what I should of said earlier was that fisherman nearly always do know something however more often than not they don’t realise it’s significance.
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The complete Norseman being dragged to the surface off Dorset we found particularly amusing. However as with all these things it was based on a grain of truth but nothing to do with the band leaders plane.
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It will come under this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Military_Remains_Act_1986 As others have said likely just an engine and possibly bits of undercarriage, most likely trawled up and thrown back in. A real tough call to find however not impossible with enough time money and effort. Fisherman will know something they always do.
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Might be worth talking with Selwyn Williams Elliott, the P40 on Chesil beach was the French variant and I know he has recently done a lot of work on this aircrafts history as well as that of the pilot. If you message me I can pass on his details if you wish.
Just brilliant very well done, an inspiration to all that have a mountain to climb.
Hi Graham Simon asked me to reply to this however it can get a bit involved so if you require any more information by all means message me.
GPR uses electro-magnetic waves and will not work in salt water due to its high conductivity. Radar has a good range in air because it is non conductive.
GPR will work to some extent in fresh water due to its low conductivity.
The best way to carry out sub seabed survey is to use a sub-bottom profiler, (shallow seismic) system which generally uses a narrow beam high source level acoustic pulse.
Echo’s are returned from layers or objects of different density much like medical acoustic scanning.
Depth of penetration can be very variable dependent on bottom type (density) but on muddy bottoms you can expect to see several metres down. Frequency of burst is usually around 4Khz and can be simple Carrier Wave(CW) or a chirp.
Chirp allows better Transmit/Receive correlation and thus smaller returns can be detected and hence greater penetration can be resolved.
In water depths over 20 meters attenuation in the water column has significant effects (beam spread and attenuation) and it is best to resort to towing a weighted body with the transducers on it rather than deploying on a pole over the side of the ship.
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I remember seeing a video I think on youtube of some guys in the Westcountry that had rescued an engine and propellor that had been trawled up either late 70’s or early 80’s, Before I put too much effort into trying to locate it I would imagine that one of the very knowledgable chaps on here will be able to remember it and will know all the details, if not I will dig around.
Grahame
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Thanks Snafu seems like a possible contender much appreciated.
It’s certainly aluminium and the letters LOT are clear.
Cheers
G
Thanks all for a great response, never ceases to amaze me how much knowledge there is here. Nice bonus to see a picture snafu and interesting to see her running on one. Thanks again G
Many thanks Ross, need to get my head around aircraft records, more used to ships as you know.
Thanks Bravo any idea of status?
Thanks all for your replies, emails etc. I have been amazed by how many are looking for targets at sea which we have plenty of ourselves but not much in the way of weather to follow them up. We are only interested in freshwater/brackish sites that enable us to use our equipment when we are weathered off at sea. Interesting reading all the posts about buried aircraft surely some must have been pushed into rivers and lakes would be a hell of a lot easier than burying them?
Hi Graham – do you have a magnetometer? If so and if you are still interested I wonder if you’d be interested in helping us locate our Whitley off Hastings.
Cheers
Elliott
Yes Elliott as I said before always happy to help especially when we have something else nearby we can have a look at while we are there. We do have a mag and obviously the sidescan and a couple of Minelab Excalibur 2’s which are the best hand held underwater detectors we have ever used. Spring or Autumn is best for us, Summer we are flat out so drop me a line when you are ready.