Flex, Savage….etc.

I’m talking about scanning printed media and putting it on the net. Savage, so you are saying that AFM(for example) should give us some latitude to display their latest magazine on the net? Why don’t we all take it in turns to buy the magazine and then scan it for the others on the net? Lets face it, they would be getting a lot of coverage……..can’t be bad can it? In fact it may inspire one to buy Combat Aircraft Magazine instead, since we have already read the AFM.

I realize that this is difficult to control, but that doesn’t make it right!

Did you even read my post? I never mentioned scanning entire magazines. What I meant by latitude is that the occasional scanned picture I have found on this and other forums has motivated me personally to buy magazines and books and that jumping all over people as soon as they post a single pitifully low res scanned picture could be counter productive since posting of scanned pictures in moderate quantities on forums like this one generates sales of books and magazines. Of course if people start posting entire magazines that is a whole other cup of tea and should be dealt with. But then again I am not arguing in favor of that!

Just to name one concrete example, the scanned pictures from the F-7PG article in a recent AFM issue that were posted on the AFM forum are directly responsible for me buying that back issue of AFM. And yes the magazine article contained alot more information than the scanned material posted here so I am happy with my purchase.

… I know that copyright is not a big issue on the forum, but when I know that it is ignored, I’ll point it out! For your information it has bothered people and Flight International has even actioned this…….

To play devils advocate…. You can see that from another point of view. One of the main reasons I became a subscripient of Air Forces Monthly, Flight International and Air International in the first place was that I kew some of the photos found on these forums came from these publications and I wanted to read the articles and see the other photos that came with those articles. If it wasn’t for these photo-swapping forums I probably wouldn’t have bothered to subscribe at all. No matter how fascinating a few low res photos are, nothing can compare to buing the magazine.

Cheers
SR

P.S. I also spent alot of time tracking down some limited edition books on the RhAF partly becsue they had better prints of Steve Murray’s photos in them than I could ever hope to get on the Internet.

Apparently Croatia only operates the 12 MiG-21’s (8 bis, 4 UM) that were refurbished in Romania a couple of years ago….

Have they been upgraded or just overhauled?

Not really, and the only thing they plan in the future is upgrades of Mi-8s, G-4s and other aircraft.

IMO the Mig-21-93 is a better upgrade than the LANCER, because importantly it greatly increases the life of the airframe, as opposed to LANCER being a cockpit upgrade. Besides the Mig-21-93 has BVR capability, which imo is not that important in our case, but nonetheless it’s there.

Hmmmm…. Cockpit upgrade? That is a bit of aggressive Russian marketing. True enought the MiG-21-93 is more capable than the Israeli upgrades. Having taken a good look at the MiG-21-93 and the Lancer I’d still say the Elta 2032 multimode radar, Litening II pods, ELta ECM gear and Aerostar recon-pods make the Lancer C in particular a bit more than a humble cockpit upgrade. I won’t argue with you on the zero-timing issue since I don’t know many details of that aspect of the Israeli upgrade process. Even so the Israelis should have the capability to zero-time airframes or at least significantly extend airframe life. In the end I suppose it boils down to how much you are willing to sink into the aircraft. The entry level treatment offered by the Israelis is a simple overhaul like the Ethiopians got while the Romanian upgrade is on a whole other level and goes well beyond the cockpit.

I agree with Srbin, it is unlikely Serbia’s potential threat lay in hordes of BVR capable aircraft and users of sophisticated equipment, but rather, low intensity guerillas, in which your army and helicopters will probably be much more useful and cheaper.

besides, when it does face an opponent with hordes of BVR capable weapons, its unlikely they’ll stop them anyway :diablo:

Second that, Helicopters, fixed wing trainers and some low cost tactical UAVs wouldn’t hurt either. If somebody insists on big jets (for expample to keep up with the Croats) the MiG-21 to upgrade is the furthest I’d be willing to go.

…This included mostly domestically produced planes (which were pretty crappy) … Due to the extremely poor quality of serb pilots, they were falling out of the sky like flies … was mostly Croats and Slovenians who were the good pilots … The serbs were the guys who gave all the orders, but didn’t really contribute anything else to the military … the Serbs had no clue how to maintian the air force and it slowly began falling apart … The very best pilots (which are still very bad by western standards) get around 10 hours a year in the air … I am less uptodate on the helicopter fleet but it consists of less than 30 altogether including Mi-8, Mi-2, Mi-4, Ka-25, Ka-27, and some locally built peace of crap … Albania will get 10 Mig-21’s from Ukraine and in addition to the 11 F-7’s it has will have IAI upgrade them to Mig-21-2000 and then will get Turkish F-16’s so we will be the dominant power in the region … This info came straight from the serb defense ministry….

OK! Everybody sing along:

Trolling, trolling, trolling,
Keep them posts a trolling,
Trollin, trolling, trolling,
Flamewaaaaaaaaar!
😀

Can we please ignore his obvious trolling and go back to a constructive discussion?

…the MiG-29s are no longer flying, could someone give us an update?

Wasn’t there something in AFM about there being a MiG-29 refurbishment in the pipes?

Some of my Guatemalan AF Photos. Time frame is the early 1980s.

DC-3 with turboprops… surreal. Here is an El Salvadorean AC-47 Turbo, T-37 from various angles.

Hmmmm… A Google search on “t-37 trainers albania” yelded:

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/albatim/1995/95-12-03.albatim.html
http://www.hellas.org/news/1995/nea-95an.htm

Neither cites a source, not what I’d call reliable.

They dont need to worry about terrorists, its their ppl that are doing the terrorizing(KLA)

Aircraft, anybody? Ya know, big noisy metal things that fly through the sky 😀 😀 😀