Most in the military support GWB, yet many people(liberals like moore and europeans) refuse to acknowledge this–or simply refuse to believe it.

How could they like a man that sent them to war?

I’ll tell you why.

People join th emilitary for a number of reasons. Predominant among thme is the desire to serve one’s country, and defend those whom they love. They volunteer to fight for the country, it’s people,a nd all they hold dear.

When they see the country threatened, they want to see it defended. It is their job to do the defending, on orders from their superiors. Do you think that someone who is the type who would volunteer to serve in the military wants to sit idly by and NOT take action? These people know it’s their job to defend. If Bush did not order the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, there would be many in the military who would have shown contempt for Bush–what good are they if they are not defending the country?

An example of why the military didn’t like clinton. In somalia, the “Blackhawk down” incident. Clinton denied them the armor they requested, and the Air support they requested. his administration felt that that would “look bad” to the world, copared to a light raid with troops and helicopters alone. After images of americans hit the air, Clinton pulled out of somalia, giving militant Islamists a victory, and future motivation. After 18 americans died–it was too much. It “looked” bad, so he pulled out. You don’t win battles if you’re concerned about the way it looks. It’s war dammnit, it’s about as ugly as anything gets. You have to accept that to begin with. Thousands–possibly TENS of thousands of Somali are killed. 18 US men died. And Clinton ulled us out, despite the starving masses, despite the clear ability of us to win. He pulled out. Even the men who fought there were disgusted that all they fought for was thrown out. their friends died for nothing.

And binLaden would use this event as an example as to why America would never fight back if attacked.

It’s all in the use. If a hindu wants to use their symbol that looks like a swastika, they can. If it’s used to symbolize the national socialist german workers party(or whatever it stood for), and fuel the haterd of other races, then it’s bad.

Like a cross. Hanging around your neck, or on the wall, good. Stuck in the ground in front of a house and set on fire–bad.

Star of David: on a storefront, showing to all that this is a kosher establishment, good. Sewn into the sleeve of someone’s jacket or spray painted on a store front—baaaad.

CSA(confederate states of america) battle flag: Used to show pride in one’s past and history, ok. Used in conjunction with swastika and/or buring cross in front yard…very bad.

symbols mean nothing, it’s what they stand for that’s important. Make the threatening use of a symbol a crime, not the symbol itself.

I’m not going to get into the war, not again. I’m just going to refute some things you said.

WMD’s were found. 10-12 155mm chemical shells were found, one being used as an IED on US troops by insurgents. Not a massive stockpile, but WMD’s for sure.

The most packed theater in a military town? Want to know how Moore has misguided you?
That was Fayetteville, home of Ft. Bragg. Ft. Bragg is th ehome of the 82nd airborne, th especial forces and Delta force, and it’s less than two hours away from my home. Furthermore, many of my neighbors husbands are statined there.
Fayetteville happens to have a very large inner city population(It’s a damn big city, not a quaint “military town”) nearly all of the partons to the showing of F-911 were inner city blacks, not afiliated with the military. No relation, or correlation to the military except for the name of the town. It means nothing.

I was glad for the war, I support it, then and now. I believe history will show it to have been just. Disagree about it, fine. Protest, etc. fine with me.

Obviously the government is more tolerant of such behavior than in the past. We dont’ need or want mcarthyism now. The rosenbergs were spying for Russia, and were traitors. was death a bit much? Maybe. But it was right to punish them for the crimes they commited against the US, at the very least, the law required it. I havent’ studied it enough to make a well educated assesment of the whole “COMMIE!” paranoia, and wheather it was justified or not.

Like I said, I wasn’t being serious about calling him a traitor. I’m just saying why he could be called a traitor. yes, and all those other people that are and have been giving aid and comfort to or enemies. they could all fall under that definition of a traitor. In fact, that’s probably WHY there havent’ been any people tried for it. I’m guessing a good deal of the population would fall under that definition.

Treason is pretty much not an issue for the country. It’s too “up for interpretation” for our legal system.

North Korea applies the very same logical process to nuclear weapons, and the USA gets annoyed with them.

Funny old world……..
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Sure, but I don’t have a criminal record where I invaded my neighbor and threatened war against him and his friends…

Seriously, US laws and the way the constitution is interpreted is a different matter. Dealing with international crisis and dictatorial madmen is very different from allowing an individual to carry a gun.

Stealth aircraft are able to save money by limiting the amount of aircraft supporting it. They can go in an d out by themselves, maybe only needing a tanker. On paper, in practice.

In combat, the US military isn’t taking the chance. They send in th eB2’s with just as much jamming as theyy would had they been sending in anyting else. the diffeence is that they send in the B2s and F-117s into places they wouldn’t send other aircraft, jamming or not.

So yes, th eF-22 is going to be able ot self-escort, without all that nasty, excpensive jamming support. but will they ever let it go alone? doubtful. At least not while we can get away with it. Should war come about where resources are best spent elsewhere, it has that ability.

Regardless of how its implemented, the abilities of the raptor give it better survivability in any area, friendly jamming or not, escorted or not than other aircraft.
Bt the US is unlikely to use it to it’s full ability, much like the B2–never really used as was intended.

However, should we wish to surprse someone with a quick surgical strike, a force of F-22’s with a mix of strike/air superiority armamants could do the job very well. Speed and low observable means that the bombs(and amraams) would be in the air before the alerts sounded. If the enemy sees heavy jamming, then they’re going to know someting’s up. If we have to do that, stealth allows us to.

Oh, and concerning the government. No, Americans in general(especially conservatives) have no faith in their government for domestic matters. The purpose of the government is to protect the nation. Everything else is secondary. I personally feel that the current government is doing a good job at protecting it’s citizens.

When it comes to protecting ME at home, it’s not really their job. The city and state have police forces, independanty of th efederal government. Still, you can’t rely on them for everything. If I’m in trouble,I’ll call the cops, but I’m not going to be 100% dependent on anything when it comes to the protection of me and my family.

How much faith do YOU have in your police? Enough to put your life and that of your family solely in their hands?

My life, and my family’s, is in my hands. If I have to, I’ll protect them. Any government that wants to take that ability away from me is one I wouldn’t trust one bit.

It’s not a matter of danger, or fear. In fact, areas with a high concentration of (legal)guns are the areas with the least crime. If you live in the city, you’ve got an excellent chance of being a victim. Live in the country, and crime is almost non-existent. Yet country-folk have way more guns. they are less reliant on the government, and police.

It’s personal decision.

You want to know why people need a concealed weapon.
The fact that you ask the question shows th ereason you don’t get it.
The US government has no right to tell it’s people what to do unless there is a threat to others.
We don’t have to give the government a reason why, the government has to give US a reason why NOT. What buisness is it of the government what we do as long as we are law-abiding citizens? We have commited no crimes, so why should we have to prove anything?

Unless the government has a valid reason to prevent a citizen from owning a gun/carry permit, they have no right to refuse them.

Basically, when it comes to defending myself, I shouldn’t have to prove anything. The burden of proof is not on the individual, but on the government. I don’t tell them why I should have a gun, or why I need a gun, they have to tell me why I shouldn’t.

At least, that’s the principle behind it. In many parts of the US, some degree of proof is on the individual.

Super long range, stealth detecting radar equipped S-XXX’s aren’t going to make it obsolete. they make them bsolutly necessary.

Say the S-XXX is able to detect an f-22 to some degree. If it can detect a low-observable fighter, a conventional non-stealth aircraft is going to be detected at maximum range.

Many advanced radars(and some 40 year old designs) CAN detect stealth aircraft(google F-117, SA2, and serbia for details). Regardless of designs, and materials, radar IS reflected. Low observables are simply that–HARDER to detect. Advances or not, they will always be harder to detect. Lower reflectivity, lower IR emissions.

Stealth aircraft can get closer before detection than other aircraft. they might make a defense that can hit an F-22 from 100 miles away. That same radar might pick up an F-15 from 200 miles away.

In any situation low observable aircraft are more survivable than conventioanl aircraft. The B2 is a Massive aircraft, yet when I was watching the airstrikes in baghdad live on TV, the air raid sirens didn’t start, the guns didn’t fire until the bombs hit their targets. They had no idea it was there until the bombs hit.

With a modern radar system they might detect them sooner, but it still gives the attacker an edge. Long range standoff missles being developed will enable the F-22 to take out targets at distances of over a hundred miles. Any gaps blown into air defense are larger for stealth aircraft.

The point isn’t to make it invisible, it’s to shrink the effective radar coverage before you take it out.