RistanThanks for that Ristan, the “Tbilisi” look very similar to the Vietnamese BPS-500.
I have no info on Vietnamese Navy… ๐ Most probably the same type, provided to Vietnam by soviets. According to Jane’s Fighting Ships 2004 there is no anymore boats of this type in Russian navy. There are still some in Ukranian navy, but they gonna remove them soon (or sell them to Georgia with high price, as they do with “Tbilisi”) The anecdotic point in all the story with “Tbilisi”, that it was sold to Georgia on wery high price for boat in such condition (actually boat was in poor condition, specially engines. After contract was signed Georgians make extra payment for it’s fixing) :p I’ve seen somewhere photo of “Tbilisi” in 1999, where condition of boat is obviouse poor. I’ll post it if I find again. :rolleyes:
Yours… :diablo:
Ristanwhat type of missile boat is this?
Russian project 206MR (hydrofoil)
Before 1999 was Ukranian U-150 “Konotop”, before 1996 SU missile boat R-15.
Main armament: 2×1 “Termit” class missile system, 1×1 76mm art. sys. AU-176, 1×6 30mm art. sys. AK-630M
Photo: Same “Tbilisi” on another exercises
Drawing: 206MR class
Yours… :diablo:
RistanRussian Navy Project 1265, ‘Sonya’ class
RistanSmall add-on
One more add-on from http://www.afsouth.nato.int/images/Cooperative%20Partner%202001/COOP-PART-01.htm …
Missile boat “Tbilisi” of Georgian Navy ๐
Yours… :diablo:
RistanFinal materials
Canpark – unfortunaly I’m not GOD, otehrwise I publish here complete info ๐
Here are the final materials that I found in net… Without help of forum members my topic temporary will be final in this thread… ๐
Anyway few more photos on Abkhaz navy…
1-3 “Grif” type patrol boat of Abkhaz navy
4 – “Conflict waters” – abkhaz sailors & Georgian Coast Guard Patrol boat (background)
RistanCanpark – I think Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan it’s theme for another thread… ๐
Here are some info from russian forums (based on Georgian intelligence report) on Abkhaz Navy… :diablo:
1 Patrol Boat “Tarantul” class (project 205P) (245t, 35kn, 1×2 ZU23 23mm anti-air gun, probably “Grad” missile system installed)
2 to 6 Patrol boats “Grif” class (project 1400) (50t, 30kn, 1×2 ZU23 23mm anti-air gun, 1×2 UB32 or UB16 missile system (taken from helicopters)
9 to 22 smaller (3-5t) patrol boats (“Nevka” & “Strizh” type) used for coast guarding…
but i think the reality is quite far from report… :dev2: On Abkhazian website (http://www.abkhaziya.org/gallery.html?mi=15) i found photogallery on military training of Abkhaz army (dated 2004) On the photo is visible artillery boat which is obviouse to be project 1204 boat. If (!) abkhazians have at least few of them, it gonna be a real trouble for georgian navy near abkhaz coast. They are specially designed for coast defence & in cooperation with land installations could prevent any georgian landing operation.
Photos
1-1×2 UB32 missile system onboard of “Grif” type Patrol boat
2-Abkhaz “Grif” type Patrol boat
3-Pr. 1204 abkhaz artillery boat at military trainings in 2004
4-Russian pr. 1204 boats of Caspian fleet (just close up…)
Does anybody has german “Linden” class minesweeper linedrawings???
RistanFinal images…
Ok… Here are images of Georgian Coast Guard ships taken from Website of US embassy in Georgia (georgia.usembassy.gov)… :diablo:
RistanRis: Mate just because they have old equipment doesn’t mean they lack fighting spirit ๐
“Fighting spirit” of course is a great thing… :rolleyes: But it has no power without proper weapon. ๐ Beside this don’t forget about abkhazians, who also has “fighting spirit” (if not higher) plus naval ships, which was captured from the same georgians during 1992-1993 :diablo: … Hope soon I place some info on Abkhaz ships aswell… ๐
best regards… :diablo:
RistanThings is worster than they say….
Situation actually is more critic than it looks from the news… Submarine stuck at 200-220m, so aqualngists can’t be used for rescue operation. Another same type rescue sub is still at repairs. Some local russian news agencies saying that breathing air will be enough only for 20 hours (against naval command information about 48 hours ๐ก )… Unfortunately US & Japan can’t help in this situation, cause only to get there their ships need 2-3 days… ๐ก
The only one “good” (if we can call it good) thing in this story, is that it is really nobody’s responsibility for this catastrophe. **** happened… ๐ก
RistanSome more info
On official Greek navy page I found some photos of transferring missile boat “Dioscuria” to Georgian navy (source: http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/new_details_old_press.asp?new_id=673) quite intersting… ๐ Specially second photo where at the front is one of “Lindos” class patrol boats, presented to Georgia in 1998. Does anybody has technical info or line drawing of this type of ships??
Also I’m placing here photos of patrol boat “Kutaisi” (turkish built; photo taken fron BLACKSEAFOR website) & Georgia Coast guard Zodiak class patrol boat… (on the background Missile boat “Tbilisi”) :diablo:
RistanGeorgia has a well equiped force in it’s naval arm for the little water access it has, I woun’dn’t want to take them on!
Dear Ja Worsley, I disagree with you… :diablo: According to my data the most of the ships are quite old and was purchased in poor condition and disarmed (later part of them was armed by old Russian 23-mm antiair guns or obsolete (after WWII type) 37-mm naval 70-K guns). The only real “power” could represent missile boats (“Dioscuria” & “Tbilisi”), Turkish built patrol boat “Kutaisi” and ex-German Lindau class minesweeper (now patrol ship) “Aeti”. The rest of the ships are small “second hand” patrol crafts builded in Russia, Ukraine or US with little speed and in poor condition. Also, according to some news boats has missiles only for few shots (both approx. 6 to 8).
Unfortunately I don’t have more information, but I think maintaining old, different type and origin small crafts is more headake for such poor country like Georgia, than a real strength of it’s navy. ๐ฎ
Yours… :dev2:
Does anybody has photos???? :confused:
RistanNews from “http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default.aspx?articleID=11569&heading=“
Patrol boats sent back to manufacturer
By Menelaos Hadjicostis
FOUR patrol boats intended for police and military use have been sent back to their Italian manufacturer for a performance improvement after failing to reach the required standards short in speed trials a year their delivery.
The ฮ10m boats are back at the Cantiere Navale Vittoria Spa dry docks for a refit after experts found their top speed of 39.5 knots was 3.5 knots less than what was specified in the contract.
The discovery was made in May when Auditor General Chrystalla Georgadji commissioned a Greek naval expert to put one patrol boat through its paces and see if it was up to the job.
But the boat proved a woeful disappointment, prompting authorities to send them all back.
The speed test was conducted on only one boat, but its low speed is considered to apply to all four as they are identical.
Daily paper Politis uncovered the debacle which police, in a statement, later confirmed.
Crucial
Politis reported that, according to the contract, the boats should have achieved a speed of no less than 43 knots. Anything less than 41 knots would be a negate the deal.
High speed is crucial for patrol boats because of the nature of their tasks. Two boats would have been assigned to coastal patrol duty, primarily to search for illegal migrants trying to make their way to Cypriot shores.
Illegal migration is an important matter for Brussels and Nicosia has been under pressure to act as Cyprus is seen as a vulnerable backdoor to the EU.
Moreover, the boatsโ army duty requires high speeds so that the craft can evade hostile fire and either outrun or intercept other hostile vessels.
In the statement, police said the boats passed all requisite speed performance tests prior to the delivery.
But Georgadjiโs hunch for a post-delivery check proved correct as the boats did not live up to expectations.
“As a result, following instructions from the Auditor General, police demanded that the manufacturer repair the flaw,” the police statement said.
Moreover, โinterceptor flapsโ were installed on all four boats to boost performance.
But Politis reported the test boat failed to reach 43 knots with and without the flaps.
The statement said that if the boats fail to pass muster despite the refit, police can claim the Italian companyโs ฮ1m performance guarantee that expires on September 30, 2005.
Compensation
It is understood Cypriot authorities could also seek compensation for breach of contract.
“Police followed and completed all procedures foreseen under current law for the purchase of the craft and the matter is now in the hands of the Auditor Generalโs office,” said the statement.
Politis reported the botch-up caught the attention of President Tassos Papadopoulos who is following developments closely.
RistanSome information about Cyprus Navy you can find here: http://www.geocities.com/tan_h_epi_tas/ef.html – but it’s in Greek. As I understood it’s: 2xESTEREL type PB, 3xSHALDAG type FPB, 10x fast boats…
For info about SHALDAG boats: http://www.israel-shipyards.com/products.asp?d=n4
To Stormeagle – ๐ it’s ok… ๐ No problem… ๐
Best regards…
RistanStormeagle ๐ You understood me wrong… It’s not bad for the greeks… ๐ I mean that this site (castle by itself) wasn’t military station as considered Twilight2005. And my “unfortunately” was for Twilight2005’s consideration… Hope this point is clear now …:)
I check acig.org for info about photo, posted on the first page (patrol craft attacked by a THK F-100). Information given at acig.org is not correct. Serials T1, T3 & etc.. were given only to P-6 type MTBs but not to patrol crafts (T-torpedoboat). As I understood patrol crafts had names but not serials.
Here is some information from hellas.org:
“Friday July 19, 1974
20:30 Cyprus -The two torpedo boats T1 and T3 are ordered to be ready for combat.
Saturday July 20, 1974
01:30 Cyprus -The 11 Turkish ships are now detected only 35NM away from Kyrenia.
02:00 Cyprus -6 ships are detected heading toward Ammochostos. Later on it will be known that these ships were merchant ships sent there to confuse the defending Hellenic forces.
04:30 Cyprus -The 11 ships are now only 10-12 miles from the coast of Cyprus. There is no immediate response from the Hellenic side.
05:00 Cyprus -The two torpedo boats T1 and T3 are ordered to depart the port of Kyrenia and to engage the invading fleet.
05:15 Cyprus -Torpedo boat T1 sinks after being severely damaged by Turkish aircraft fire.
05:23 Cyprus -The T3 torpedo boat is struck by both destroyers and aircraft and sinks. 9 of the 10 crew members of T3 are killed.”
Best regards…
RistanTwilight2005 ๐ Unfortunaly it’s not “communications antennae” on the background of photo, it’s Greek flag. But military vehicle is really strange, because as I know at that time Kyrenia castle wasn’t used in military proposes, but was converted to museum. Last year I personally visited castle, and the only “military” thing I found was basement of turret of 12.5mm (???) antiaircraft (????) machinegun on the top of big round tower (front one on the photo). Most probably naval station storages and supply centre was somewhere in neighborhood.
Best regards…
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