I would never doubt what ISRO chief says….:diablo:

Bump! 😉

I seriously doubt India’s ability to knock out a satellite. just look at the LCA program..how’s the kaveri doing? it seems like india likes to exaggerate about its capabilities…

Let’s be serious here $12Bil is not going to get you any serious stealth aircraft indigenous development. If i were Koreans, i would question the amount of my tax dollars going toward this. These days, everybody who wants money to develop combat aircraft will claim “stealth”…imagine telling your leaders otherwise.

how much money did the U.S. spend on developmental costs for the F-22 Raptor and JSF?

must be around the 100-200 billion dollar mark? :confused:

when will this plane be in service?
It is taking an awfully long time……..What about that Kaveri engine? I heard it collasped in Russia? HUh? LOL

the Chinese J-10 is completed already and in mass production since 2002. It has indigenous Chinese KLJ-3 radar, SD-10 chinese missiles, plus the option to carry russian weaopns too. Chinese WS-10A engine is certified too.

The LCA needs to hurry up. Slow Indian aviation progress. I would have more respect for the LCA if it was completed more quicker.

India just talks, China just does it…

that’s the difference between india and china.

india talks, talks big….and usually not much gets done.

china just works hard in steps to achieve goals. they just do it.

China needs more surface ships than that. any more 052’s, 051C being built?
what about the 525 class destroyer class?

China should even focus more on submarines. How many new Songs per year
is China building? 3? Yuan needs to be in mass production as soon as possible ,093s too.

China will have near future, 2010:
currently 12-14 Songs( 3 produced per year?)= almost 30 of them
12 kilos
at least 5 Yuans
at least 3 093s
2 094s
a total of about 50 modern capable submarines. plus you can add the moderate Ming class submarines too, ain’t very modern at all but can do some patroling, minelaying, blocking and annoy the enemy duties.

that is one powerful submarine fleet. probably even second to the U.S. with good training and maintenance.

maybe china might even buy more Kilos after the 8 submarine contract is done to have more submarines even faster.

I can say one thing for sure. when the chinese are dead serious about a goal and put their money and effort into it, they get it done good and very very quickly.
just look at their economy, foreign reserve increase, etc….

At least the Song should be equal to any eighties sub. It has features typical of the most modern subs, such as the ability to fire antiship missiles underwater and skewed propellers. If you think they’re not important, then I bet stealth is not an important feature for a fifth generation fighter either.

But it should be comparable to an F-16, not to a MiG-21.

But there is no Foxtrot in the nineties. And not every Western and Russian sub have that capability either. And certainly not the Foxtrot.

The first Chinese sub to fire an antiship missile underwater is actually the Han Class and they have done that in the eighties.

I’m sorry but no unsuccessful project ever got into both operational and mass production status.

Kilo purchase was independent of the Song program. The fixes that brought the successful 039G variant of the Song does not have anything to do with the Kilos, nor was there any Kilo derived lesson. In fact, Kilo features are quite the opposite of the Song, such as the sail and rudder designs, as well as sink hole patterns. In addition, the Kilos themselves were having problems, quite behind in their control systems, and can’t be considered successful in Chinese service.

China went for the new 8 Kilos because of the Klub missile complex and the fact that China lacked enough yards to build subs fast enough. The Russians simply had more yards available and they were vacant, while Chinese shipyards are chocked full of export orders. When the new 8 Kilo 636EM contract was made, China even went to stipulate that the subs made be made by four specified yards, with two each for every yard to get the subs ASAP. China is probably disappointed to get all 8 subs only by 2006, with the first two received this year. By then Yuan would have finished all its trials.

crobato, there is an article in China Defense Forum that claims the 8 kilos will be delivered by the end of this year. dunno how true it is, you can check it out.

will the 093 SSN be more advanced than Yuan, Kilo? also do you have any idea/info about 095 SSN chinese next generation nuclear attack submarine?