you are too antichinese and unaware of chinese airplane
jh7 is not same as tornado
jh7 is over 22m and tornado is 16m!!!!!!
jh7 can carry up to 9 weapons but tornado only 7

Actually tornado has a total of 11 hardpoints — 4 on wings, 3 heavy duty on fuselage, 4 for lighter payloads on fuselage, or so the internet says.

And JH-7A is bigger, but from open sources on the internet they appear to have similar MTOWs and effective payloads…

I’m not antichinese at all, you should check some of my post history. You, however have been making very inelegant jingoistic rants… well it’s a breath of fresh air in a way. Most people here have some ulterior motives for arguing in favour for their own nation, at least you’re being ridiculously forthright about it.

As much as I’d like to see fast jets over Auckland, the RNZAF and New zealand as a whole doesn’t need them. The A-4s we had were a token capability anyway.

NZ’s best defense is being so far from everyone else that no one can really be bothered coming down here, and if they do, there’s australia and US that will have a few words to speak…

Unless we expect to be invaded by aliens, there’s really no need for rebuilding a menial fighter force.

Well, I think China does need a deep striker to cover their 2nd Island chain and beyond….

I agree, but something based on flanker is stupid.

However huitong does mention something about a stealthy striker in the “Su-34 class” which makes far more sense.

now if only they revealed details for the J-20’s size :diablo:

Well, maybe in Zhuhai 2020.

Because Kawasaki C-2, which has same size as Y-20 and is built out of composite material(same as 787 Dreamliner), doesn’t claim such MTOW and payload.

C-2 dimensions:
Wingspan: 44.4m
Length: 43.9m

Y-20 dimensions (disclosed from the PLA):
Wingspan: 47m
Length: 50m

And Il-76 dimensions just to compare:
Wingspan: 46.49m
Length: 50.5m

“Same” is measured in metrics of a few meters… (also, those drawings are not very accurate, using the numbers we’ve been given is a better tool)

Continuing your comparative example, Il-76 is the “same” size as C-2, but has an MTOW 30 tons greater than C-2, an effective payload 10 tons greater, despite being a design nearly 40 years older.

So I don’t see where the problem with Y-20s stated numbers lie.

of course all of those specs are taken assuming the aircraft is using WS-20s rather than D-30s. With D-30s it should only achieve vanilla Il-76 MTOW, maybe higher, with new construction methods and more modern aerodynamics.

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If anything, the question shouldn’t be whether Y-20’s MTOW and payload are overstated, but whether C-2’s are understated imho. Looking at its dimensions and specs such as overall thrust, compared to the likes of existing planes like Il-76, you think it would be able to haul a much bigger load. Could intentional requirements by the JASDF limited the airframe’s ability to carry heavier loads. That is to say, the aircraft may have similar dimensions and volume to other cargo haulers but materials used in its construction, or the way its structure and airframe was designed means it cannot support a heavier weight?
I think that is a plausible explanation.

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It’s also remarkable for the sheer number of projects that Chinese have going on. Stealth fighter, carrier borne fighter, another stealth fighter, UAVs, MPAs and now a large military transport. It’s as if somebody in Beijing has a list for everything a first rate aviation power needs to have and they just work down that list, methodically ticking off all those boxes.

Because it’s obviously a c***. There, I said it. 😀

Somewhere down the line there has to be “stealth bomber”…

A strategic bomber seems a while away, if we’re lucky we might have “long range stealth striker” though.

^ Apparently YJ-12 is an exclusively air launched weapon. Rumours are abound of a heavier surface/ship launched “YJ-18” with more capable specs of Mach 5 and 500 km that may or not be related to YJ-12.

I don’t even know anymore. Although it would make some sense to make your air launched AShM a little lighter so it can carry more of them vs hauling a single 3 ton monster.