I think it might be easier just to straight up buy an export variant of the Gorshkov class if the IN wants Gorshkov-esque subsystems on a Talwar frigate.
Outside of superior AShMs, I think a Talwar class FFG’s sensor and weapons suite is quite a bit inferior to the Akizuki class. That isn’t a knock against the Talwar class — the Akizuki class is a larger warship by nearly 3000 tons with a much more recent sensor suite and fire control system in the form of FCS-3A, as well as the benefit of quad packed ESSMs in a 32 cell Mk-41
helmet seems to be a TK-31 model. Baseline definitely does not have HMD role, however there are various products available akin to modular attachments like JHMCS to allow for both single eye display 20 degree FOV (like JHMCS) or dual eye display 30 degrees x 40 degrees combined FOV (like F-35 HMDS).
Whether J-20 currently uses such a model, and whether TK-31 is compatible with such systems, is not known…
To be fair, the Liaoning has yet to attempt a long distance journey or deployment like what the Kuznetsov has undertaken in the past. The possibility of Liaoning encountering issues on a long deployment similar in nature to what the Kuznetsov has done over the years cannot be ruled out.
@trident
I suppose we have different levels of vigilance when looking at specs.
Generally speaking I don’t assume the numbers that are given out are ever a “representative” or “load out” specific number, unless otherwise suggested either by other numbers (like if payload is at max and if range and endurance are correspondingly lower, then that would suggest range and endurance numbers are for that given payload), or unless the manufacturer explicitly states something like “endurance at given ABC range with XYZ payload”.
Same vigilance applies for things like missile range, radar detection range, etc as well.
And yes, of course putting the caveat out there for people who are unfamiliar with that nuance is useful, however when you said that you tended to “agree with him” (which I assume you to mean tomcatvip), I was wondering what part of his statement you were agreeing with.
Because he’s making it sound like the specs are wrong or fake and that even the pictures and videos are fake (!), when in reality he’s just reading the specs wrong and the pictures and videos are obviously real.
… wait why would anyone assume that the 60hr endurance is for max payload?
Surely when looking at the aircraft and it’s specs one would naturally assume or at least recognize that the 60hr endurance is for a low external payload mission like ISR only.
I can’t imagine anyone familiar with UAVs would think the 60hr payload is for the aircraft with a full 1 ton external payload
@tomcatvip,
care to elaborate?
The video sound and pictures seem fine to me. The pattern of disclosure is also consistent with some recent revelations that Chinese state media have been generous enough to do for some new military projects, and the configuration of this aircraft is consistent with what we saw at Zhuhai airshow last year.
I think you may just inexperienced.
Considering the Chinese Navy’s got two 45000-50000 ton 901 class AOEs in the water, with the first likely to enter service later this year, fast replenishment ships look to have a future in at least one navy.
a neat picture

four J-20s, one possibly being 2001/2002 prototype, seen at dingxin on 1st June 2017

@tonyget, that is a CGI, from a few years ago
@fedaykin
well, the VSR question is still being debated. There are a number of mysterious antennaes around the bridge superstructure that is prompting speculation, and especially the two solid looking protrusions (one under the on the side of the ship which were first thought to be vents… but on closer inspection have been thought to be antennae for EW purposes or maybe even meter wave radars.
That said, whether a VSR is present on the ship or not would not have really been a radical departure from 052D or not (considering 052D has the UHF yagi type 517B as VSR, so technically the lack of an aft rotating VSR on 055 is a departure from 052D), it’s the totality of the ship’s new sensors and the way they’ve been positioned, how they’re integrated with combat management, and command/control. And of course the much bigger hull and more VLS.
Going from a 7,000 ton DDG to an almost 13,000 ton DDG is quite a radical departure by any definition imo
ahem, 055 #largedestroyer



Regarding FC-31, there have been recent indications which suggest that the Navy has selected an “enlarged” version of FC-31 to be its 5th generation carrierborne fighter.
It’s unknown if it will be larger in every dimension or like just enlarging its wings or something, nor do we know how much bigger it is. Whatever the final in service product looks like, it probably won’t be exactly like either of the FC-31 airframes, whose purpose will likely be as tech demonstrators rather than prototypes.
There is also a rather amusing rumour that the enlarged naval FC-31 might have received the designation J-35 which would be hilarious.
At the moment it doesn’t seem like the FC-31 in any form has attracted Air Force interest.
It’s okay, I’m sure CV-17 will have its fair share of problems in its sea trials and early year or two of operation like Liaoning as well. The island will probably end up similar to Liaoning. Not sure if Liaoning’s island is similarly cluttered to Kuznetsov in your definition.
Also, plz there’s a navy thread for a reason, let’s leave this for air force related shenanigans.
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