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August 26, 2011 at 9:48 pm in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2323630

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… cos the PLAAF have a long history of telling us the unvarnished truth? :confused:

Out of interest, can you link to the direct quotes, I haven’t seen them. 🙂

http://www.globaltimes.cn/www/english/military/china/2009-11/483864.html

Basically General HeWeirong of the PLAAF in late 2009, when interviewed by CCTV for air force day, said the “4th generation fighter” (or J-XX as it was known at the time) would fly “very soon,” would enter service in “8-10” years, and would feature 4S (Stealth, STOL, supercruise, supermanouverability) and would set the F-22 as the benchmark.

And it isn’t like China to bluff about her military capabilities or development, if anything they prefer to understate it. About a week after this interview, someone in the PLAAF obviously felt the General had revealed too much, and they released a statement saying the “4th generation fighter” was to just be an “upgraded J-10” to throw us all off their trail.

August 26, 2011 at 8:15 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324038

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High fineness ratio should enable high Machs. Ye know… like needed on an interceptor or high speed interdictor. 😉

Well then we’re obviously missing something.

We’ve been handed the role of this aircraft directly from the PLAAF themselves, and no amount of forum analysis will change what this aircraft is.
So can we cut this bull about J-20 being an interceptor or striker… 😡
Unless it is customary for such aircraft to have “supermanouverability” as well, that is… 😀

August 26, 2011 at 6:57 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324076

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actually you could argue that the Su-27 is like a larger twin engined F-16.. playing the devils advocate here :diablo:

I repeat my terrible analogy before — why take the bus to go next door?

I think you’re more advocating yourself :p this is the first time I’ve come across the idea J-20 and F-35 are more similar than J-20 and F-22 due to them being more “recent”…

August 26, 2011 at 6:50 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324080

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the F-22 is one of the oldest 5th gen combat aircraft design, the F-35 incorporating newer ideas. duh
its amazing how people get easily offended when their prized aircraft is not labelled an air superiority aircraft. multi role aircraft and strikers produce results in wars, not fighters.

Well I’m not so much offended as confused.

The fact that J-20 and F-35 are newer doesn’t change the fact that the similarities between J-20 and F-22 far outweigh anyway between J-20 and JSF…
It’s like calling Su-27 more like F-16 than F-15 because F-16 was “newer” and the flanker was “too”…

August 26, 2011 at 6:46 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324082

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making stuff up again, so who’s the big bad guy who claimed it never retracted up? some people made claims there were no internal bays but that’s about it.

I remember something along those lines, not sure if it was on this forum.

There was someone on this forum who said J-20 was just a flying mock up though. And someone on another (quite high up too) who said something along the lines of J-20 will only have an RCS equal to B-1… lol

There’s people who troll about every plane on forums, nothing new.

August 26, 2011 at 6:17 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324180

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the only thing the J-20 and X-36 has in common are canards, and they are very different even then. J-20 canards = smaller in proportion to body, not same plane as wing, not trapezoid. X-36 canard = pretty huge, same plane as wing, trapezoid like the J-20’s main wing. besides X-36 has thrust vectoring, no tails, and split ailerons.

J-20 design is closer to F-35 but probably with more thrust and power and likely, more carrying capacity and range. a multi role beast is what it is.

Why F-35 and not F-22…? It’s like taking a bus to go next door.

I’ve stated J-20 being a longer legged F-22 in role and do so again.

August 26, 2011 at 12:32 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324207

Blitzo
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+1 with SGW06

August 25, 2011 at 9:59 pm in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324319

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Dod is on top of things as always (sarcasm).

Anyone who’s been following development of this aircraft for a while can obviously tell it’s meant to be an airdom fighter, not a striker. Not to mention no plaaf need for a dedicated striker or interceptor.

Really this horse has been whipped to death and resurrected again too many times.

(clearly the Chinese are stupid, or everyone else is missing something because this aircraft, from every reliable source, has been described as meaning to challenge the f-22’s performance in every aspect)

August 25, 2011 at 11:16 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2324784

Blitzo
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Give it a while and we should eventually see that for real.

August 24, 2011 at 8:20 am in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2325379

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The length of J-20 by a big shrimp was said to be 20.3 m, wingspan 13.4 m

August 22, 2011 at 10:34 pm in reply to: Der Pak-Fa Episode 17, return of the stealth #2326367

Blitzo
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The accident makes it look cool!

August 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm in reply to: J-20 Black Eagle – Part 6 #2326440

Blitzo
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Please do not start quoting wikipedia back to me. 🙂

The use of LERX to generate lift is high drag – while you can pull better AoAs, you destroy your energy levels in the process. The same with wing sweep; highly highly swept wings don’t perform so well in high speed turns.

The J-20 has a small wing… for a high performance fighter. It is spot on for an interceptor or interdictor. Compare it to, say, the F-15 or F-22, then compare it to the MiG-31.

Well then it’s settled — it has a relatively small wing for its role. Because it definitely is not a interceptor or striker.

Just out of posterity’s sake, if we move the main wing+canard forward to where the canard is and move the canard back to where tailplanes would be it actually doesn’t look that small. But I digress

August 22, 2011 at 8:12 am in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2327094

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Thought it was the general consensus that the J-20 (or one of them) flies/flew with Al31?

I think the consensus was/is that one prototype must’ve flown with Al-31 (never photographed, no witness), then either the same prototype or a different one has flown with the silver nozzled engine which we cannot identify, ever since the first “documented” maiden flight. (Most people believes it’s a WS-10 variant?)

Anyway, the russians can do what they like with the T-50. I don’t think it’s the first time they’ve flown a new aircraft at an airshow either I believe. Didn’t the USSR show the Mig-25 in a 1967 airshow, three years before it entered service?
Could the T-50 have flown at MAKS this time to attract orders in future?

August 22, 2011 at 7:44 am in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2327105

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Must..not…make…comment about J-20 flying with old Russian engines….:D.
Like Blitzo said, all that exposure only gave us was sweet pics. Anyone who bitches about that, is not an aviation fan.

@QuantuxFX:
badonkadonk.

(J-20 was flying with old russian engines? We’ve only seen them with the mysterious silver nozzled ones.)

August 22, 2011 at 5:25 am in reply to: PAK FA episodeⅩⅧ #2327198

Blitzo
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i detect a sense of jealousy from the J-20 crowd here.

Showtime’s part of the J-20 crowd?

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And hell yeah, who wouldn’t be jealous of so many good photo opportunities 😀
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