Yes, clearly that means they are desperate. Good logic.
It is an airshow. PAK-FA gave MAKS2011 more exposure. That is only a good thing.
I actually thought it was more vice versa.
Did the Soviet Union usually display new aircraft so quickly at MAKS and other airshows during the cold war and/or after the dissolution?
Because I do not believe the US has shown off the F-22 and JSF at airshows when they were early in their development, and I don’t expect China to do so with J-20 at zhuhai next year either… so it’s a bit strange Russia would do so with their new super plane. But I’m not complaining — lots of good photos 😀
And for the attachment of the catapult shuttle to the nose gear.
IF the nose gear is strong enough to handle the force… remember, you have enough pull at the outer end of the nose gear leg to pull the entire loaded aircraft forward at ~6Gs… that’s a lot of force.
Then the fuselage where the nose gear attaches has to be strong enough, and the forward fuselage has to be attached to the center fuselage well enough… all of this with strain directions opposite of those experienced by land-based aircraft.
This is one of the main reasons that catapult-rated aircraft tend to be purpose-designed, not adaptations of designs created for land-only use.
Or is it your belief that the Chinese will use a form of bridle launch?
I’m thinking along the lines of SAC modifying existing J-15s with bridle launch and reinforce new build J-15s for nose gear and add hold back bar if it hasn’t been done so already.
Is the stress of catapult launch so strong that the reinforcement of the aircraft for carrier landings can not take it? Or I presume the reinforcement for landings and catapult launch are in completely different areas of the aircraft and do not complement each other?
I think that’s the best photo we’ve got of the J-20 yet.
I love the four vortices, look’s pretty damn cool.
I think it is very likely J-15 can be modified for catapult launch. It’s just adding provision for a hold back bar I imagine?
GT and Johnqh posted these in CDF and SDF respectively





Flying bathtub my a** :p
Can’t wait for some proshots. I think these are the first pictures of the plane’s top too. Very good job to the dedicated fan photographers on the ground.
Ok, then the question is, are the indigenous efforts of Taiwan able to produce products for the ROCAF which would deter or be able to defend against the PLAF? Particularly considering the recent advances made by mainland China?
Considering their aging F-5’s need to be retired in a few years and F-16s and M2Ks aren’t exactly young I think having the ROCAF deterring the PLA in general is not a viable option as it was about maybe just two decades ago.
Maybe an offensive weapon like an air launched cruise missile could cause some problems but if it’s a situation of dancing on the brink of independence, that threat would be unavoidable. But then there’d be probably US intervention etc to deal with
That doesn’t leave much of a choice for a country like Taiwan. Without military patronage of the US, they’re quite defenceless in terms of options.
Yes I agree, the problem is that they do not really have any real options at the moment.
We can speculate about what options would benefit ROCAF but we have to be realistic that most/all of their roads for new fighters are cut off.
they’re best off developing their own weapons, as mrmalaya said. But I don’t think they quite have the political will to do develop what they need. ROC military seems to have their hopes pinned on US and foreign assistance, especially wrt fighters.
Erm isn’t this thread supposed to be about the Carriers sea trials, most of this discussion should really be in the PLAN thread so this can focus on what little info & images that resulted from the first sea trials !
First sea trial’s over lol. But I agree I don’t think there should be a seperate thread about the PLAN carrier seeing as there are only so few threads in this naval aviation forum.
that could be the case, but Taiwan is many times more important and sensitive to the chinese government than the territorial dispute with india is.
Any foreign country will have a hard time getting any substantial arms purchase through to taiwan as things are now… And fighter jets are arguably the biggest no go out of them all. Participating in the japanese or korean stealth fighter projects would obviuosly be useful great, just like if they could get new F-16s or even F-35s… but again, would either those countries want to cross china over this?
Unless things change, I’d say no.
ok,
then a simple straight ramp then,
at prevent the cat guy from shooting aircraft into ocean in heaving seas. 😀and
If I remember correctly the centripetal acceleration from the curve is trivial compare to the non-flare 3 point landings these things has to survive. and if you have a ski-ramped cat, the forces should be minimum.
for a steam cat it would be nightmarish to engineer as you would essentially need a curved cylinder. for EM it’s another story.if you can save some cat length, not a bad thing either.
I suppose. I just feel the extra complexity and reduced space etc doesn’t make the idea really practical.
ok,
then a simple ramp then,
prevent the cat guy from shooting aircraft into ocean in heaving seas. 😀
Maybe — but just not conduct ops if seas are so inhospitable? If it’s that bad you probably can’t “safely” recover the aircraft either
every kilo of payload you can put on the aircraft matters.
having a ramp means a lower speed when off the deck, that means you don;t need to put as much accelerate on the aircraft from a cat. conversely it means when you do take off with a full cat, a bigger payload given an airplane and payload.safer operations too.
It also means less space to spot aircraft. Also you either make a smaller catapult or add extra length for the ski jump?
I can’t imagine forcing a plane from the end of a catapult and onto a ramp is good for the plane either? There must be a reason the rest of te world hasn’t adopted or even widely tested this launch method and a catapult+ramp won’t be substantially easier or easier at all to develop as opposed to a catapult alone?
I am really hoping for a ramped cat.
best of two worlds.
my guess most likely is that they would go for a pair of waist cat.
If you have cat technology why not put them on bow too? and I dont see any benefits of a ramped cat myself. If you can reliably build a catapult forcing the aircraft off a ski ramp won’t change too much?
I’m hoping for a minimum of two cats on the 50k-60k ton first pair. That weight class should have enough steam for at least two, maybe three, one or two at bow, one on waist.
If catapult tech isn’t quite there yet a varyag like ship will be formidable too — along with other small improvements of course.
Any thoughts on weather the PLAN will develop catapults for their CVs?
Rumor is we might see them on the first pair. We’ll know soon enough.
I think they showed a video of that at it’s recent defense expo? It looked more like an x-45 with aam’s than a real a2a ucav. That’s a few good years away yet I’d think, an x-45 class ucav, let alone a real a2a ucav.
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The radar upgrade is in the right direction, if beijing allows it to go ahead, but soon it’ll be too little too late, if that change of balance hasnt been reached yet.