Grey radome of J15 instead of usually black one found in J11B or J10A, similar to that of J10B, indicating the J15 also equipped Phased array fire control radar.
Maybe? What if you change the color of the radome?
J-20 has a black one does that mean it will be using non aesa or even non ESA?
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Also it’s good to see the flanker airframe putting on some good looking colors. That naval grey looks leagues better than the su-33’s mess blue :-/
Some more for you
I might just be biased, but I think the varyag right now looks in better shape than her sister. Amazing what some new clothes and make up can do for you 😎
For anyone who’s interested, PRC officially “declassified” the Varyag as a “scientific research” and “training” ship. :p
oh wait, already posted in the naval news around the world thread. meh.
given the usual professional quality of the photoshops I won’t be surprised if these are done by the ‘3rd People’s Photoshop Regiment of the PLA 1st Group Army’.
Doubt it, most PS’s we’ve seen are pretty crap and isn’t in PLA interests to overstate their capabilities. The opposite if anything.
Oh wiat you’re joking. Lulzy. >_>
Those are actually some fantastic shots — when I first saw them I thought they were just really good CGs…
If this is what we can expect from semi official disclosures I can’t wait for the angles of J-20 we’ll get in a few years time.
I just don`t see 1/10th the amount of photoshop jobs from/about non-Chinese jets.
That’s kind of because China doesn’t release any info about the under development aircraft (and ships) they have going so they let their enthusiasm out a bit.
I don’t think it’s so much as trying to mimic US stuff, but rather trying to draw what the rumours say said under development projects will look like.
Goodness I remember all the delta canard J-XX CGs and PSes which everyone (including myself at one time) wrote off as wet dreams… Good times. 😮
So given that the AL-31s are mostly for the J-10B (only? replacement in there too likely), any way to extrapolate how many J-10Bs are going to be ordered?
I think a number of the Al-31s recently ordered are for existing J-10As so it’ll be difficult to extrapolate how many have been ordered.
It’ll be harder to predict how many will be ordered cause eventually they will be moving to WS-10.
Whats with the PS obsession some Chinese seem to have? So irritating.
Fanboys. Some must have a thing for trying to trick the rest of us.
Sounds like there isn’t enough WS-10s to go around and SAC are getting them for their flankers first.
From zoom at SDF:
Allegedly Huzhigeng has been answering some questions on the procurement of J10A and J10B to PLAAF,PLANAF and PAF.
Huzhigeng recently made another appearance on CJDBY, and brought some more insider information. For those of you that don’t know who he is, he works for the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, the design bureau for J-17, JF-17, J-10 and J-20. It looks like development in the next year will be pretty smooth ride. Without further delay, here is what he said.When asked about test flights of J-10B, he said:
年底前要入役的。。当然要欢迎总装头头了。第一批1X架。将装备某王牌师。。。某师的人已经有 不少飞行员来 到成飞了。年底前就有几架要飞走。。。。
“It (J-10B) will enter service at the end of the year, thus military officials came to visit. The first batch will have more than 10 planes, and sent to a first tier unit. That unit had already send quite a few pilots to CAC, and few will fly home with their new toys before the end of the year.”Furthermore, he talked about export:
还有。。棍子的外销已经签了单了。。XIAO BA。。是第一个用HU。。。XX架。。。比一个团多一些。里面的设备有些变化。。。小BA特意要 求的。。
“Also, export order for J-10 had been signed for Pakistan. There will be XX planes, slightly more than a regiment (about 2 squadrons) size unit. Some changes to avionics at the request of Pakistanis.”Regarding Pakistani version:
老的。。。。不过里面设备有变化。。。。
“The export orders are for older J-10A version, not B. However there are upgrades done.”About SAC and J-11 export:
北边的战斗机的用HU全是中国空军和海军航空兵。。不可能出口的。以后也不要指望北边的飞机会 出口。当然包 括北边的四代机。。
“SAC’s client are Chinese air force and naval aviation, so export is not possible. Do not expect them to export in the future either, including their 4th (5th) gen.”Whether J-10A will stop production after J-10B starts:
不会。。海航的单子还没有生产完。。还有小BA。。也要生产一批棍A。。。。。
“No, the orders from naval aviation still have to be filled, as well as Pakistan’s.”Whether WS-15 engine can keep up with the progress of J-20 on time:
四代大推跟上歼20的进度没有问题。。目前进展还是很顺利的。。明年03架歼20会装上新的航 电。。。某所 的光电式分布式系统明年也要装机的。。。水平和F35一个档次…
“There is no problem as everything is going smooth at this point. The 3rd prototype next year will be equipped with new avionics. Our own EODAS (Electro Optical Distributed Apature System) will also be installed, and is similar to one found on F-35.”Whether J-10B will be equipped with WS-10 insteald of AL-31F in the future:
很难….至少空军的歼10B目前为止签的单子都是毛子的发动机…太行基本上全部让沈阳 装机了…
“It’s difficult. All J-10B orders at this point are planing on using AL-31F. SAC took all the WS-10 for themselves.”What kind of engine will Pakistan’s J-10 use:
毛国发动机了…这还用问…
“Russian, do you really need to ask?”
hmm… Hmmm.. HMMMM…
@sens — the SD-10 is not the aspide with new seeker head added, it’s an export version of the PL-12 which is not developed from the aspide. You’re thinking of the PL-11.
And what makes you think the PL-12 is the PLAAF’s best AAM? They usually have something much better themselves before offering a weapon for export 😉
Lolz this was shown to be a PS.
read my lips…
601 is not that imaginative, this is a rehash of their mid 90s series of design.
the failed Tri-Plane entry for J-20 was a outgrowth of those design.what we will see, hopefully in next couple of month, is still the incarnation of that mid-90s design series.
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airplane project like these are not only about outer shapes etc. systems, structures, layout, manufacturing design etc etc the design organization after they mature a design on paper , which represent some instants a dozen year of work, never tend to really go too far away from what’s familiar. design inertia if one call that.
Sorry I don’t exactly understand how that relates to my post? Are you disagreeing with the point I made or what (“read my lips”?) :confused:
It does and that’s because the drawing is simply an early PAK-FA artist’s impression by Matej Furda which he based on the Su-47. Not sure about the credibility of the other images in this thread, but any similarity between this one and the real aircraft (if any) will be purely coincidental.
Not wholly — remember drawings of J-XX were fairly consistent (delta canard configuration) and that would’ve been filtered through leaks over the years.
Here’s the description which quantum described, posted over at CDF by =GT
SF的样机已经完成,在安装内部设备。
发动机继续用俄毛AL;
类22的垂尾,外倾更大,单面积小不少;
整体舱盖,但有加强筋,类似35;
机头和J20比较像,但感觉上部更高点;
机头折线条明显,到了进气口地方甚至感到锋利的感觉;
进气道在机翼下,在机体两边,紧挨着,卡式非DSI;
翼型整体看像50,但不是可动边条;
升力体作用明显;
腹部平坦,感觉个子介于50与22之间,但不一定准确;
动作筒感觉很小,北部不是直直的,有曲线,头尾高点,中间弧线低
2架,估计年底能看到。
With google translate:
SF prototype has been completed, the installation of internal equipment.
Engines continue to use Russian hair AL;
Class 22 of the vertical tail, extraversion larger, single area of small lot;
Overall hatch, but ribs, similar to 35;
More like the nose and J20, but it feels more upper point;
Head clear off the line, to the inlet was a sharp sense of place and even;
Inlet under the wings, on both sides of the body, next, cassette Non-DSI;
Wing as a whole look like 50, but not the movable side of;
Lifting body effect significantly;
Abdomen flat, between 50 and 22 feel tall between, but not necessarily accurate;
Action tube feeling very small, the north is not straight, there are curves, head and tail high, middle low arc
2, estimated at the end to see.
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A non-search engine translation would be appreciated but I think the general gist is it will be T-50+F-22 ish. Sounds like the underside is like the T-50 but is flat (YF-23 ish then?).
For once I’m pretty keen to see a plane from SAC.