The cynicisim and willingness of some to allow people to die is sad.

I’m not sure if that’s directed at me, but in case it is I’d like to point out I never said civilians either on the rebel or the Gadafi side should die.

These people initially undertook peaceful protest, only to be brutally suppressed by the regime and it’s apologists, they then took up arms to defend themselves.

Is it wrong for me to ask that a regime should have the power to fight against an insurrection or is it universal that governments must bow over to every anti government movement?

Now I don’t support Gaddafi, but I also think we can’t see this in black and white either, and we certainly can’t label the rebels as the “good guys,” as a previous poster had.
but that’s just my opinion.

The evidence is there, it is plain to see for anybody who does not have a biased agenda.

What kind of biased agenda can anyone have, apart from hoping that peace and stability will return to Libya asap?

If these “rebels” then escalate their actions into removing the regime, by whatever means and using whatever is necessary, it is only the regime that is to blame.

Well they are rebels, aren’t they? I mean you can hardly call them peaceful protestors anymore…

Those who whine that the “rebels” may massacre people in Tripoli are guilty of sitting in their safe, comfortable homes with little to no threat to their safe, comfortable lives.

I wouldn’t call it whining more than warning.
And are you saying those people who think the rebels won’t massacre people in Tripoli aren’t guilty of sitting in safe comfortable homes with little to no threat to safe comfortable lives?

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I wouldn’t want to OT this thread too much, because the updates on constant action is… constantly up to date — but the perception that the rebels are inherently “good” or whatever, for me is skewed.
Thanks.

Looks like a starfighter from that angle.

Do you mean F-104 starfighter or X-wing starfighter? :p

Also you say taiwanese tbms will “only get better over time” can’t we assume the same for the 2nd arty? In fact this is already happening, see df-16 talk and the new 4000km irbm.
And I can’t say quote the CEp of the missile systems nori co has displayed, but most of the recent ones post ~2004 have respectable CEp good enough for targets like airfields or other such military installations

Systems like sy-400 and p-12 have ins and gps/compass guidance, so you can infer the CEPs if you want. And they’ve been shown at airshows and defense expos for years…
I’ll try to find a more precise set of numbers or a picture when I have access to a computer

LACMs… Assuming they aren’t taken out by 2nd arty ballistic missiles or their own DH-10s or even airstrikes in the opening phases…

What ground based Lacms do roc have anyway, I know they have some alcms but forgot the designations and specs of the former.

I wonder what kind of damage they can do anyway. I don’t think they have enough to launch a concerted attack, and high value targets should be protected by c-ram like defenses and j-7s with pl-8, probably with kj-200 support. unless they can saturate the defenses with sheer numbers I’m not so sure about the knd of damage a roc cruise missile strike can do.

Does anyone know or has anyone seen news about how the IAF PAK FA numbers will be devided (single seat vs double seat?).

Also does anyone know if the RuAF and IAF are planning to have an electronic attack version of the PAK-FA?

I thought it was 50 single seat (PAK FA) and 250 twin seat (“FGFA”), for the IAF, with procurement of the single seats first.

I haven’t heard anything about an EW version of the PAK FA but it’s a large aircraft and if there’s the need and the money there could be as many variants of the aircraft as there were for flankers and hornets. It’s a big plane, and I hope they decide to come out with a Su-34 or FB-22 style derivative in the distant future, which could go very well with expanded EW capability.

Thats entirely irrelevant. We don’t even know if this Chinese thing even flew.

Yeah we never do, do we…

So…saying I said so and he said that, reveals nothing since we are talking about two different distances. I’m saying, that the major Chinese airbases are at least 350 miles from Taiwan. It doesn’t matter how many there are 575 miles or 1000 miles. The question is, how many aircraft in the PLAAF inventory have the capability of a 350 mile combat radius?

Isn’t that what I’ve been asking all along…?

And all the above depends on airbases in range of the strait for aircraft that would be in range… which is effectively kapedani’s fulcrum for the whole paper air force argument. In post 74 he said only 4 airfields closer than 350 miles to taiwan, and plawolf later quoted rand saying 27 airbaes within 500nm of taiwan… I personally think the latter gives a broader view, but it depends what kind of aircraft can be fielded from 500 nm away and still achieve a good sortie rate.

And what does this do for sortie rates? Taiwanese or US aircraft will be flying from much closer bases, over friendly territory, and can have a turn around rate much quicker.

Depending on what kind of conflict unfolds… if they have closer bases to operate from…

Oh! A reference? Here’s what the “reference” says:

Still, where do you get your specs from?

And you think the USAF doesn’t have them, because it…can’t? The US sells them to its allies. The USN has the E-2D. You never through that maybe, a USAF program is a low priority?

I never said that, just that the USAF might wanna think about getting some AESAs for their awacs… touchy.

See, again here’s the problem with these assumptions. A car with 4 wheels is not like every other car with 4 wheels. A sub-scale shuttle prototype is not the same like all sub-scale shuttle prototypes. Such vehicles have been tested since the 1970s by both the US and the USSR. In what way is that Chinese program in any way similar to X-37B?

-sigh- I use the term “sino-X-37B” loosely… How many other notable unmanned space planes have there been in the last few years?

Cause its got wings and flies? Yeah…and Chinese tanks are just like the M1.

God let’s not get into that…

I don’t think some people understand that 500nm is 575 miles, or about 930km. If he had gone to 1000nm, he would have counted 350 airbases. Then he REALLY would have won.

I think most of us understand 500 nm is +900 km… So?

😮 J-10 has the combat range of an Su-34 and an F-15E? Yeah…go wikipedia

Yeah they have references for a reason… Quoting the reference isn’t different to quoting the page, just the latter sounds marginally less credible. (Combat radius is 1100km, btw, not 1500)

Where do you get your specs, then?