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  • in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223100
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Found a 100% scale spitfire http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/ but if you go in, they are only offering 80 and 90% scale versions so a bit strange. And pricey.

    And these crashes arent sounding too promising :eek:.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223128
    Atomic_Sheep
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    By going down do you mean crash? Is that because of poor design? or lack of skill or bit of both?

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223238
    Atomic_Sheep
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    How so?

    Hold on… sorry I made a mistake… the ju88 is not what I meant. I just looked it up to make sure it was what I thought it was. I meant the twin seater dive bomber with the rear seat facing backwards. ju87. Sorry lol

    Twin seater mustangs, spitfires and hurricanes are certainly news to me. Never seen either.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223254
    Atomic_Sheep
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    WW2 planes are awesome, I’d personally get a Bf109 but they are too expensive if you buy original or kit. And building one from metal, well, thats a whole different story. And as crampt as the Comets rear seat was, at least it had one. I would prefer a twin seater. A ju88 would fit that description for me.

    As for RV, I don’t really like the newer types of planes and since they are aluminium, well I don’t like that either. I’ve got more experience with wood and metal I understand is a whole different skill and mind set and I just don’t want to go that path simply because I never liked it.

    For the time being I’m just going to look around and see what I like but I doubt I’ll end up going performance. If I can’t get my “ideal” performance I’m gonna go for another ideal. I’ve got lots 😀 so like I said, something along the lines of a piper I think would suffice for the time being (I was going to learn to fly in something small and slow anyway). The Pietenpol Aircamper looks to be a pain to get in or out as nice as it is.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223280
    Atomic_Sheep
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    I’ve wanted to fly since I was about 5 years old when I had my first flight in a small passenger propeller plane. Probably some kind of antonov. Since that time I was hooked. I’ve never gotten over it. Over time I’ve formed my ideals about what an ultimate plane would be for me. Living in Australia, means that I need a plane with great range. Closest major city to Melbourne is 750 km (by car this is, so closer by air I would imagine) so for Australia I’d want something fast and have a long range in order to be able to fly around and see everything. Whenever I saw the comet I would get the same sensation of awe from its beauty. So recently I decided why not build my own plane and why not the Comet? Fired up the comp and decided to check out the specs. It fit these requirements perfectly. Fast, long range, and twin engined meant that I could quite comfortably go over water to Tasmania for example. So at first glance it seemed like a fantastic idea and a perfect plane. Now that I’ve looked into it and have been enlightened by people who have been there done that, I now realise that yes reality is a bit different. I’m dissapointed but my will to fly has certainly not evaporated. I still want to build my own plane as I know I’d enjoy that part, plus its probably cheaper (well probably not considering all the additional tools that I’d need), but either way, I’m gonna take the first step and learn to fly. And see where I go from there. I don’t really have a particular love towards airplanes of a particular era or of a particular type. Looks are certainly an emportant factor though. It can be a ww1 biplane and I’d want it if it looks right. The last question is whether its specs meet my expectations. I’ve actually been put off by planes for quite some time for the simple fact that if I want to see Australia in one swoop i.e. fly from one end to the other in a single day, it would require an airplane that is either too expensive (jet) or dangerous (comet). So the question is what I end up with in the end. But in the mean time I’ll certainly be working towards a more short term goal i.e. get a licence, and get a plane in the air that I would be able to fly and learn in.

    And thanks Propstrike… thats good advice. I’ll look into the SAAA, and that Aircamper is certainly a nice looking bird. A piper cub I’m guessing would be a realistic project also which is another plane that I’ve liked for quite some time. Obviously none of them have the speed or the range of the comet, so i guess ill have to fly around in baby steps.

    But like DaMan said, maybe some day I’ll pull out all the info I have gathered over the past couple of days and go out and build a flyable version.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223408
    Atomic_Sheep
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    This is the sort of information that I wanted to hear. When you hear… “it can’t be done” you just go… well I’ll prove them wrong. I don’t know how other people work but I work very simply. If someone says it can’t be done, I do it anyway. If someone says it can’t be done and explains why… thats when I listen. It can’t be done only when I understand why it can’t be done not simply because people say so. I want reasons otherwise I will be a stubborn headed fool as obviously generic statements of “it can’t be done” don’t teach me anything. Finding information about this plane was difficult going as I pointed out in the first post. This is why I came to this site. Not to hear what I should do, but assessments and information that can be analysed and interpreted. I never said I’ve got a stack of wood in my shed that I’m trying to stick together, I’m here to find information and as Joglo said, to “cross all the Ts and dot all the Is before starting”. This is a problem of forums I find. You get some new person appear who you know nothing about and you tell him that he’s dreaming. Fact is, you don’t know the state of mind of that person and all you could be doing is sending him off a cliff. The fact that building a life sized plane from wood requires knowledge selecting wood, selective adhesives, understanding how to work with the materials… all that as far as I’m concerned is a given and can be learned, just takes time.

    As for getting what I want from the end result is a different question. I know what I want from my plane and there was only one part that scared me in this project… and that is… its flight characteristics. I’ve searched the internet far and wide and this is why I turned to people who I thought knew what they were talking about (and turns out they do), because the internet has very little usable information. The fact that it was hell to land was first presented to me by a person on another forum. Until JDK told me the extent of this problem, I genuinely felt that this plane was for me. So thank you and I have now realised that its not something I wish to persue any further and certainly not for the reason of building the thing.

    Side note: The reasons why I picked this plane as a project:
    Safety (derived from it having 2 engines)
    Speed (obviusly has the ability)
    Cheap (obviously cheaper to run than a turboprop or a jet engined plane)
    and finally downright gorgeous.

    The fact that it has turned out to be a “death box” has definately killed the idea of safety and hence the idea of owning one.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223422
    Atomic_Sheep
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    1.) I’m aware that I cant just use balsa and balsa cement for this. When you follow a recipe you don’t use fine sand instead of flour because it looks the same. Same with this.

    2.) Regarding the flying, ok I didn’t realise you had to be crazy to fly it. I know everyone was saying that its a handful as slow speeds but I would think that with longer runways the higher speeds wouldnt be as much of a problem. Didn’t they have to get them air worthy before the race? And didn’t that include getting them within the margins for shortish runways that they were going to encounter along the way?

    As for licences, someone has already outlined what I need to do before I think of getting into one of these things which included all those things you have pointed out and more. Like I already said, this is not going to be the first plane I fly nor is it going to be the plane that I fly in my first hour of flying.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223440
    Atomic_Sheep
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    I really don’t understand where the problem is. I’ve built model planes before and all that is about is gluing a heap of pieces of wood together going out and flying it. I really don’t understand why you guys are all saying that building it will be beyond impossible for me. I’m not building something new, I’m following a recipe. Lets say its ready to go and all I need to do is shove engines into it. I find engines that are 10 times lighter than the original ones. Ok CG will be off and I’ll find that out when I try to find the CG of the thing. And then at that stage I’ll realise what I had done. No biggie.

    As for flying, I’m not gonna build it and go take off from my drive way straight away. I didn’t build my model planes and go fly them in my back yard. I got an instructor. I really don’t get what the big deal is. Im not even out of uni, nor have I had a drivers licence for more than 3 years yet, how am I supposed to know how to fly? How do people enter the air force with no flying experience and know they want to fly the f18s for example? No one tells em, you’re crazy for wanting to do it coz they are impossible to fly. I can see its not impossible because theres pictures and videos of people flying them. Theres pictures and videos of f18s…. theyve been made, hence its possible to make and fly them. Sorry I dont get it.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1223562
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Atomic Sheep
    To a large extent the engine choice dictates the rest of the airframe, the american replica uses DH Queens I believe, which have a bulk, weight and perform similar to the original DH Sixes. Lighter/smaller engines will need longer engine mounts to maintain CofG or huge amounts of ballast. Your choice might dictate building it to a reduced scale like 7/8 for example or smaller which then could make it a single seater.
    Richard

    Yes I understand, but I’ve still got a lot of research to do in the way of the way the airframe was built with diagrams and such. I’m making progress and I’d like to say that I’ve made a lot but the turth is probably closer to “a good start”. But you raised some points that I completely overlooked namely the centre of gravity. None the less I want engines that are more powerful than what the Queens and since I now realise (thanks to you) that the engines have to be of approximately the same weight, my desired power has just gone up a notch.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1224705
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Dear Atomic Sheep – Mate, I think you need a really strong dose of reality pills. The team behind the DH 88 was at the top of its game and these aircraft were some of the cutting edge technology of their day. You say you are going to recreate one of these aircraft, with a glass cockpit and a tv screen so you can see where you are going when landing. I suggest that if you want a DH 88 that badly, go and buy that one in the States, or have the bloke make one for you – it will be far cheaper than what your project is going to cost and will have a far better chance of coming to fruition.

    Thanks for the support.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1225325
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Hopefully end up going to Oshkosh sometime and hopefully in my own 88.

    The reason for glass cockpit is simple, it enables me to put cameras into the nose of the airplane as seen on the G550 and G650. I heard a statistic that 70% of accidents occur on landing. With this aircrafts poor visibility on landing, a nose cam would be a massive bonus. Plus the added benefit of an infra red? or whatever camera they use on the Gulfstreams would increase safety in poor weather conditions. Like I said, i don’t know how much that is going to cost to isntall and how much money I will have to throw at it at the end. But essentially I don’t want to build an aeroplane and let it sit in a shed for 364 days in a year and take it out once a year to some event to show it off. I’d love to fly to Oshkosh in it for example. It may seem crazy to use this plane as a “daily” but I’ve always wanted a plane with enough range and speed to give me some flexibility. The other reason for glass is that the 88 has a rather crampt cockpit so it’s much easier to fit a lot of info on just the one or two screens than it is to stuff the cockpit full of guages, knobs and dials.

    Engine wise… I have no clue. That has been a major concern for me as I really don’t know what I’ll be putting into it. Ideally I should do an engineering degree and design my own engines to my specs or take the gipsy design and bring it up to the 21st century to improve fuel efficiency power and reduce weight but I know that that this project is ambitious as it is so engine wise I kind of don’t want to be thinking about it too much at this stage. Especially since I have enough work trying to find info on the airframe alone.

    Basically call me a new generation but I prefer the older desings a lot of the time, but their lack of technology is something I don’t want to deal with. Modern mass produced cars are soulless tin cans as far as im concerned but the technology is only welcome. So I basically want to create something that I like from every angle and historical accuracy is the price to pay and I really don’t mind. From the outside it was perfect from day one as it’s form followed function and something like that will always result in a timeless classic, and visually people will enjoy it just as much. From a safety perspective I’ll enjoy it much more knowing that I have equipment to rely on. So everyone wins as far as I’m concerned.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1225488
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Awesome photo and thanks for the heads up.

    Yep this is my first project. Yep I’ve heard all about its flight characteristics (and I’ve seen them stall in model form, well at least I think that’s what it was) and I know it’s not an easy task and I’m not put off one bit by any of this.

    in reply to: de Havilland 88 #1226096
    Atomic_Sheep
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    Thanks JDK, some excellent advice.

    And thanks for the link Joglo, I’ve been to that site before but didn’t realise it had anything more than photos on it.

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