which begs the question.. were they delivered with any AShMs? I’ve only seen them with R-73s..

and on a related question, their Indonesian counterparts, i don’t see them flying with anything!! 😮

Try to take a peak on Indonesian forum (like ‘kaskus’) or in military photos, there’s a guy already put a picture of Indonesian Flankers droping OFAB dumb bombs on an exercise early this year. TNI-AU still got inventory of OFAB from 60’s and some local company in here already made copy of OFAB.

But beside OFAB I also still haven’t seen any pictures of Indonesian flankers with arms. They suppose to get new armament this year for the Flankers. But besides some unconfirmed ranting from local fan boys of the flankers already armed with R-27 and R-73, I still haven’t seen solid proof they already exist in Indonesian AF inventory.

Unless you want to trust wiki that already put Indonesia as users of those two missiles.

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If that is the case, then Malaysia will wait for the Indian Super 30’s to enter deliveries and order them as well.
Malaysia do not need a two unit type AF.. not by a long shot..

Sadly logical procurement in Southeast Asia seems so far belong to Singapore alone. Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia try to folow more logic on their current procurement, but I’m afraid many Politicians in SEA still like mudling politics on defense issue.

I’m afraid politically when reading malaysian forum and political commentators, they still want combination of Russian and Western stuff. I agree with the size, SEA AF including Malaysia should fokus on one type, but foccusing on two are already improvement from previously three or four. Thus I believe Malaysian will wait for MMRCA. However if it’s take too long then getting more Flankers can happening (unless some political factors not come muddling again).

this thread is starting to sound like the Indian MMRCA thread :diablo:

perhaps like the Su-30, they’ll pick whatever the Indian’s pick.. makes it easier to get spares and support at least.

I think that could be it. Reading on some coment from Malaysian forum, seems unofficially some malaysian politicians wants to see what the choice India will take. Malaysia if not mistaken already have some cooperation with India on Flankers servicing (on training side). I believe their Flanker have more comonality with Indian ones (Oposites Indonesian ones that have more commonality with Chinese ones).

With Malaysian already comfortable having cooperation with Indian Air Force, thus it’s reasonable they will want to wait which Aircraft Indian will choose.

From this Bae system site http://www.baesystems.com/malaysia

It’s clear that Bae, offered some kind of flexibility and independence for Malaysian for further upgrading and maintenance of the Typhoon. Thus it’s reasonable to think that Malaysian in fact try to standardize (replace) all their Fighter asset (except SU-30) with Typhoon (if the deal goes through).

Thus this will made RMAF fighter assets standardize only to two type of Fighter. This will provide RMAF with relative small but capable fleet. In such I believe the offered and the move for Typhoon is make sense for Malaysia.

Malaysia need to think what they can bet for future fleet. Both Malaysia and Indonesia already choose SU-30 for their Heavy Fighters as move to answered Singaporean F-15SG. Singapore betting then for F-35, whille Indonesia betting with Project with ROK (and potentially Turkey) of KFX. Malaysia need to bet on something, thus Typhoon I believe is reasonable choice.

I got this idea reading about the what if thread on the RN fleet carrier had they been at Yankee station. Now I think this would be a interesting fight between the greats. I was wondering what others would say for a naval action between India and say Pakistan or Indonesia.. or some other lesser developed country set around the late 60’s or early 70’s or even maybe a commonwealth nation like Australia defending its interests in the South China Sea… or some sort of action around S. and or Latin America, but if they had these ships as their main capital ships.

Isn’t India already used their Collosus carrier against Pakistan ? I think they used the carrier to support naval blockade.

While Dutch Collosus (Karel Dorman) close to get involved in Naval engagement with Indonesia during West Papua crisis in the 60’s. That time the Indonesian Capital ship would be Sverdlov class cruiser. Now that will be interesting to see if that happen.

After all isn’t the Sovyet design those Sverdlov to take on light carriers like Collosus or Independence (which probably will be escorting supply line in the north Atlantic). I think the concept between Fast Light Cruisers raiders against Light Carriers Escorting trade supply line.

Ananda, If to get that oil the UK government has to set up all this military hardware you describe over there, the Argentinians will have won… Because this will certainly end up being the most expensive oil extraction operation in the world, better leave the Crude on the ground and save on the expense… ;

Ahhhh…that’s what I say before, it all back to how much oil and gas actually down there. Right now more and more Oil and Gas reserve has to be drilled from sea bed.

You right in the sense it can get expensive, you also right potential some investor shy away due to their concern with Argentinian. However if there’s enough substantial amount of Gas and Oil and still economically viable to extract, and the UK decided to put enough defense infrastructures to ensured those investor they are protected, then some of them potentially still join the project.

It’s come back to economics. If it’s big enough, then it can cover the cost of additional infrastructures (defense and logistics) that need to be set up. After all, the UK’s need to increased are the Typhoon and OPV down there. Thus diplomatically it can be seen more as robust defense and not offensive (although I don’t know what the Argentinian Air Force can do right now against 1 full sq of Typhoon).

It will not be cheap, but I believe it’s doable as long as enough Oil and Gas proven can be economically extracted down there.

If this turn out putting large amount of Oil, Chille I think won’t mind get involved. Well is not like they have strong solidarity with Argentina anyway. But I think more the project can be supported logistically from South Africa.