Janes spinning stuff…

First of all there’s only 1 ship launching. the KRI Celurit. and it’s not misfire but rather mis coordination. Our president count down way too early.. 5 minutes before the ship commander order launch. and well everyone onboard listen to ship commander.

Whether it’s misscoordination or something more remain to be seen, since the missiles launch after few minutes and KRI Clurit already increased the speed (indicating they are actually aborting the launch). The eyes witness report (mostly frm reporters there)..shown that even the Naval Brass are surprises when the missiles launch (indicating again they’ve been reported that the missiles launch abborted). The missiles then miss the target by wide margin, also indicating that the on board radar and sensors ‘probable’ not being cue to the missiles, which also indicating KRI Clurit already on abortive launch environment.
All this should raise question for further viability of C-705 within Indonesian Navy combat procedures and environment.

Not all Chinese missiles have problem with Indonesian Navy. C-802 already even integrated and launch succesfully with locally made CMS from LEN (reported using Thales Netherland Technology). Showing that more viable and mature missiles than C-705, able to be integrated with Western Based System (rather than C-705, which still using Chinese sensors and CMS).

http://www.len.co.id/cms-combat-management-system-mandhala/

http://www.janes.com/article/63815/indonesian-president-watches-failed-firings-of-chinese-made-c-705-missiles-at-naval-exercise

Two Chinese C-705 missiles failed on firing test during Indonesian Navy exercise. Not good conditions for further procurement contracts.

No, I think tanggo is right. It’s Mig 19 and not 17..look at exhaust..it’s charateristics of Mig 19, also the tip of wing.
Edit: Think about what in Iraq inventory..perhaps those are Chinese F6..

http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=207186

Seems ROK choose Thales technology to developed KFX Aesa Radar..Sorry to put it in this thread..seems the KFX thread is no more.

Considering proliferation of F-16 history in ASEAN…once Singapore fielded F-16, then just matter of time before some other ASEAN country field it. Singapore is already in F-35 program. Based on current economic condition..outside Singapore only Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have economic capabilities to field F-35 after 2020. However Malaysia seems set with either Rafale, Typhoon or Shornet. Indonesia seems set with Su-35 or their JV with ROK on KFX/IFX.

Thus leave Thailand. They already field Grippen, but they do need to replace their F-16 blk 15+ after 2020.

The candidate to replace F-86 Sabre (which incidently replacing Mig 21 of the 60’s) in the 70’s are F-5 or Mirage III. Indonesia choose F-5 because it’s cheaper to operate than Mirage III. The Indonesian AF wants to regain the supersonic capabilities its lost when Mig 21 being retired early.

In the 80’s when US open the door for F-16, the contendered also Mirage 2000. With now Flankers is open..then it’s time the AF feel to enlarge long range fighter inventory.

KFX/IFX project does not intend to be Gen 5..but Gen 4.5+..at least on initial blk 1…potential to be after blk 3..but now the aim for 2025 schedulle is only the blk 1..The blk 3 supposedly aim to achieve what F-35 can do on present day set-up..but that’s aimed on 2030+ with condition the blk 1 and 2 development is on schedulle..by that time F-35 is expected already evolve in to more advance version..

So KFX/IFX project not been expected ever to catch-up with F-35 development..it’s intended less advance fighter than F-35 for ROK and Indonesian AF..but more advance then latest F-16/Shornet..with more economical cost..after all ROKAF already aimed for F-35 as Gen 5.

For Indonesian AF..with 24 refurbished F-16 plus 10 existing F-16 (which contract for upgrading them already being agreed)..put 34 thus 2 sq. This talk for gen 5 of Russian/Chinese origin so far only talked put by fanboys in Indonesian forum and media..

http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/10/08/lockheed-martin-ready-provide-ri-with-offsets-f-16v.html

LM offering Indonesian AF their F-16V..