didn’t know that ! anyone has a pic ?
It’s right there on the Eurofighter webpage.

http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/Eurofighter/history.html
It would help if you could upload the text instead of just the aircraft images.
From the few lines available, it seems to suggest this is a follow on to the original J-9 project. The J-9 was a canard delta interceptor canceled after its design specs were unrealistically inflated from a F-4 rival to a MiG-25 rival. Perhaps this concept was floated in an attempt to meet the later design requirements.
The use of framed canopy windshield and wing fencing suggest this is an older concept.
Earlier version of the Eurofighter was a twin tail. Why did they change it?
“MiG-38s! No one’s been this close before.”
Wouldn’t this be close to the Mirage IV, but with BVR capability and possibly better visibility for the crew?
No Mirage IV was a large purpose built bomber. I was saying a Mirage 4000 sized purpose built air superiority fighter.
Why not using the canards with the smaller Mirage III and put a single J79 into it. That’s what you call a Kfir then.
That’s what I said in the opening post. But is the lightweight fighter the only answer to the question?
I see a tendency towards huge aircraft in this group. Though history showed 8at least in the 60ies) that that is the wrong approach.
There’s been a number of lightweight recommendations. Mirage 4000 wasn’t huge, at least not by century fighter standards. I don’t think the air wars of the 60s showed that small size was everything. After all the Phantom’s extra range allowed it to do things other fighters simply couldn’t. The 60’s showed fighters have to be designed for maneuverability first. Successful fighters big and small were built with this in mind.
The question is what we gain from making the basic aircraft (Mirage III) bigger. As I said, FBW is not going to make it, so we have the classic problems of the delta wing. Mirage III got its delta for supersonic performance, and Mirage abandoned the concept just a few years later. So I consider this a no-go.
I don’t mean take an unstable Mirage 4000 and remove its FBW. Rather I mean something with a similar canard delta planeform and similar size. Rather like a larger twin engine Mirage III, with canards, leading edge slats, better visibility cockpit, and turbojet engines. Keep it as light as possible. So what we get is something that will out dogfight a Mirage III, yet has better range, and offer a starting point for a ground attack variant.
Speaking of a 1960’s F-15, how about an earlier Mirage 4000 minus fly-by-wire and with two J-79s?
Perhaps something like the F-20, but with a J79?
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The closest engine in 1960 to the J-79 was the AL-7, however it was far more powerful and slightly heavier and already offered a slightly better TWR but also had a slightly worst SFC, by the time the F-4E was flying in 1968 the Russians already had the R-29 and the AL-21 which were far more powerful and had better TWR and SFC than the J-79
When was the AL-21 available? I thought it powered the Tu-28 since the early 60s.
In hindsight, the ATAR was a far better choice for a fighter engine than many first generation turbofans such as the early TF-30 and Spey 202.
Please elaborate.
The problem with the MiG is its very poor range. No variant ever had enough of it. A belly intake also means debris getting sucked in. Which means it needs well maintained runways and that limits it to being an excellent point interceptor with limited multirole capability.
Something bigger would be nice. How about the Su-11 with MiG-23 intakes, double delta wings and canards?
Before the Flight 007 incident, another KAL flight was shotdown for overflying Murmansk in 1978. Flight 902 veered 2,700 km off course was forced to land after the missile from a Flagoon killed two passengers. 007 was just an accident waiting to happen.
Thanks for the pic. If the Soviets had a weapon like the Skybolt, the Molot would have been very viable. Since Molot meant hammer, they might as well call the missle sickle. :diablo:
How would the Molot be modified if the Soviets decided to keep updating it? When was the D-30 turbofan available? These may give this bomber the range it was designed for.
Anyone have pics of Molot carrying external stores? They never seem to carry anything on their wings.