Since its been long rumored this jet’s being developed as a carrier capable trainer for PLAN, it occures to me it might find a customer in Brazil as a trainer. Also a nice replacement for the Navy A-4s.
At some point, yes. but they will start with the obvious choice of Su-30MKP(?) in few years once the embargo on offensive weapons is completely lifted.
They will buy the best they can get as soon as possible. No telling if the current detente will last. Its only a question of what the Russians will agree to and how soon they can deliver.
Exactly, Vietnam is not interested in anything but retired F-16s. It’s not only cheap but they’re looking for new non-Russian way of operating. They already have pilots heading State side now. It’s important for them to diversify away from exclusive Russian vendor as Russian reliance on China may grow at the expense of relations with Vietnam.
Don’t expect major new capabilties. People expecting rapid arms build up will be disappointed, they simply don’t have the cash. But they will be laying ground works for increasingly more Americanized force over the next 20 years. Think of the Polish AF reforms in the late 90s.
Assurances to Israel essentially preclude an F-35 deal with usual Middle East clients (Saudis,ect.) until the mid-2020’s at the earliest(Israel is pushing for a “never” clause- which is worthless anyway). Short of something that would upset the balance (like the unlikely sale of Chinese J-31 to Iran), the U.S. will not export the F-35 to the any Middle East clients outside of Turkey and Israel.
It’s inevitable that Iran will buy a 5th gen fighter. Most likely Russian, so it’s also inevitable at some point Middle East buyers will get the F-35.
No one really wants an arms race with a neighbor with 40X your GDP. Especially when you have no real allies.
If you want to talk militarily the other nations in the region through careful and thoughtful spending can put forward far more of an existential deterrent to Chinese ambitions then one would think. With all those years of one child families a force enhancer like Vietnams Kilo class submarines putting a single large Chinese combat vessel to the bottom has a serious social impact and China knows it hence their recent expenditure on improving their ASW capabilities.
Seriously? :very_drunk:
I’m going to say the Saab/ROK stealth project is going to fail and Sweden is going to break a major precedent and buy F-35 once PAK-FA nears production.
Any chance Brazil might be interested in those newly retired Super Etendards for the Sao Paulo?
Vietnam’s procurement problems lie with their lack of funding rather than China’s diplomatic vigor. I would say lifting of the embargo probably has more to do with American desire to gift Vietnam some free or below market-price gear, similar to recent transfers to The Philippines. It’s aimed more at annoying China than having meaningful impact on the balance of power.
This just leaves A-4 and Q-5 as the last survivors of the classic attack jet era.
This has nothing to do with Ukraine. Its also not relevant to bring up Russian weapons used by ISIS, as Russia have an entirely different relationship with that organization, why would anyone one even make that connection?
I was simply stating the obvious, that the Kurds who filmed this did so to insinuate ties to Russia, they did so effectively, and it is not in Russian interest to dispell it. This was followed by a whole lot of complaints that there are alternate sources for Iglas. No one cares if Russians are helping the Kurds against Turks. Someone is always helping one side or another in that region, its not news.
What’s BS is the needless denials. As I said, no one cares. Russia is not on trial. We are aviation enthusiasts not lawyers.
Do you really believe that? Then look up some videos of cheering Ukrainian crowds welcoming advancing Wehrmacht in 1941.. Your effort to blame it on Putin is moving but this thing is far bigger and older than him..
Everything I say is sincere. You can hardly blame Ukrainians welcoming the Germans after the Holodomor. By the time of the Soviet dissolution relations between the two people have all but amended and in most cases there was very warm fraternal ties. This drudging up of ancient enmities is a reflection of change of aspirations in the present, and is not an experience unique to the Slavs.
It’s funny that you think that letting Ukraine just go and accepting some NATO airbase or naval base on Crimea few years later would be “a win”..
While there are those in NATO who may want this and encouraged Maidan, that’s quite a leap to imagine the West was united in an effort to militarily confront Russia at the earliest convenience, or even that such enthusiasm existed among most Ukranians, let alone Crimeans.
Most Russians I’ve met have a pretty keen instinct when it comes to sensing when they’re winning or losing. I can’t imagine they truely feel this is a game of chess they’ve played well. If you’re arguing that this is simply the best possible outcome given the hand Russia was delt, all I see are missed opportunities of recent decades.
Read Solzhenitsyn first.. the hatred towards Russia in western parts of Ukraine has deep roots in the past and precedes not only current crisis bur even Stalin’s times.. whether justified or not is another matter…
There’s no question western Ukraine was never sympathetic to being a part of a pan-Slavic state with Russia, but it didn’t have to be a binary outcome of that or a Russophobic Ukraine on its south flank. The West’s efforts to pull Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit has succeeded far beyond their original aims, thanks to Putin’s disasterous miscalculations.
I don’t know what he thinks winning looks like but Russia has already lost this game. The only question is how much more damage it will exact on Ukraine at considerable cost to itself. And like I said this is pointless as Ukraine is too small and poor and therefore their economic losses can be recouped with modest foreign investments, the same cannot be said of Russia.
No indication about that, whatsoever.. There are virtually dozens of sources for such MANPADS, incl. looted stocks from Libya, Iraq or Syria..
Okay here comes the plausible denials… this is not The Hague, no one really cares. Even if it weren’t the case every Russian wishes it was and it’s certainly in Moscow’s interest that people think they did. Its pretty clear that’s the message the Kurds were sending. And whatever protestations to the contrary, everyone on this forum already accepted it.
At this point let’s move on to ask the more interesting question if this was a one time retaliation or a harbinger of wider Russian support in future operations against Turkey.
They could’ve just showed the helicopter downing. But the point of the video seems to be showing off in no uncertain terms the missile is Igla – and implies Russian support, which is implicitly accepted by everyone.