What newspaper and what date?! That are kept from every day in 1999. In the web you can see every backnumber with ease. You can choose from every newspaper that day. To claim your opinion as truth is not enough. 😉
No, sorry you are wrong there, a search on “4.24 1999” will give you exactly 4534 results. When you click on a relevant result, you get “not available”
This means that there exist no digital reccord of newspapers from that time. You will have to go to the library and ask to look at the microfilm(s), from the period.
And yes i am to lazy to go to there. After all, this happened 12 years ago. If you look for intrigue, i suggest you go to wikileaks, that stuff is fresh 🙂
You still have the option to question the Norwegian paper about that and you will get an answer about that. For all to see your opinion is based on general claims. You avoid carefully to give a single source to track and you can be blamed for such behavior as long as you claim your knowledge is based on one at least. 😉
Since this topic came up i have made searches in major Norwegian newspapers on this. As i have said, the story no longer exist. However, the story with the grainy photo, was on the front of every newspaper that day. If someone wants to know more, any Norwegian library will have copies preserved on film.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE !! 🙂
Therefore, what i have written here is my opinion only, since i am to lazy to go to the library 🙂
I put it to you that all the Norwegian media did was to present one of the goof ball images that other media had mis-represented and been caught out by. They simply ditched the story in order not to look like idiots. You are the one stating that they published these images, yet nobody managed to copy them?
It is clear that you are partial to a conspiracy story. Remember other media were caught out badly by running with stories and images that proved to be bogus or misrepresented. What you are saying is that no other aviation enthusiasts in Norway noted and made copies of these unique images presented? I find that very hard to believe, but if you like to live in a world of conspiracy then that is your choice.
TJ
On the study of idiots, it is hardly ever noted that they are able to act together in a coordinated manner. Infact most studies suggest the opposite as one of their defining aspects. Now the key issue here is that the Norwegian press removed all reference to to the story overnight.
Norwegian constitution gives the Government the opportunity to censor the press. However, everytime it has been applied, the press will ask and write questions about it. As usual this happened after the war in Kosovo. The governmet confrmed ths, but as usual they gave no spesific details as to what was censored. This is therefore a public matter, not a conspiracy as you suggest.
TEEJ,
You have tried to ridicule me by linking me to guys named Vlanek, Blanek and conspiracy theories.
It is clear that you are not interested in a debate on the topic, but try as hard as you can to derail it by agitation.
I therefore refer you to the moderators, if you choose to continue.
TEEJ, you here play underhanded with me. You here try to put my observations together with those that are mad and/or are promoting a nationalistic agenda.
I resent that.
What i am saying is that in my opinion, a F117, or more likely a B-2 got hit and had to divert to Greece (leaky hydraulics maybe ?) It was repaired during the night and flew back to USA. Since this happened some nights prior to the shoot down of the F117, a media censorship was made to win the “media war”
After all this was early in the conflict and the damaging of a stealth asset must have been viewed as a media deafeat.
Please here read “at the time”, as refering to the time around the Kosovo war.
At the time the F-117 was promoted as invisible to radar by the US spin machine.
At the time this was allso a widely held belief on this board.
This opinion has since changed, since in fact a F-117, got shot down, and another stealth asset got damaged in the conflict.
The fact that we here discuss stealth in less than absolute terms, is a direct result of that.
Funny how you guys head straight for denial, instead of evaluate the information i give you.
Now i have no way of proving that something was damaged that night, in fact i had gone to bed looking forvard to further news in the morning, not knowing what to make of it.
Instead, trough the night, the story had been removed from all online publications. If the story was BS, do you think the governmet would commit to the deliberate, sustained effort it is to censor the free press ?
Remember that this was in a day and age when the US stealth aircraft was built up as being invincible.
Infact, every pro US member of this board was more than willing to promote this fact ! :dev2:
You here ignore the fact that a f-117/B-2, made a emergency landing in Greece.
This was a strange story for me. One day, all Norwegian media posted grainy night photos of a US bomber, damaged over Kosovo. I remember looking forward to reading the news about this the following morning, but guess what !
During the night, the story had simply died. No one refuted it, it was somply removed from all online media, papers had no follow-up, it was not commented on TV.
Now, i know that Norwegian media are free, one exemption is nationaly sensitive issues, or sensitive issues of an ally in times of war. By the crude way that this was done, i know for a fact that something got hit, my guess a B-2, since the story was big enough for USA to hit the panic button.
All the US is saing is that all B-2, are accounted for, they allso say that a number of aircraft had battle damage repair after Kosovo.
I believe they speak the truth.
Yes, the F117 would still be in service if it didnt get shot down in Kosovo. It had little in terms of a self protective suite, and needed jammer support, thus negating its purpose.
Remember that this was in the day and age, when US stealth aircraft would enter and leave any airspace undetected.
And it got shoot down by an SA-3, modified with pieces from a hammond organ.
Replace the centerline gun with a targeting pod, guided rockets, and you have a nice CAS for cheap.
If you want new, go for the AMX.
As long as you can not give the way they got the height in need in real-time to pin-point a F-117A such a success could not be repeated. Serious readers have noticed in “Col. Dani Zoltan” claim that important detail is missing. :diablo:
Your opinion is seriously flawed by the fact that USAF decided to retire its F-117 fleet after the Kosovo war.
On a sidenote. Germany had a large number of Alphajets in storage. They were meant to be used in the CAS role, against soviet tank columns.
What happened to them ?
How were they equipped ?
Actually he did, plentiful:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=39447&page=13&highlight=F-104Especially this page:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=39447&highlight=F-104&page=10
Yes, good thread and posts AlfaKilo. Allso some beautiful photos. There were many pilots in the Norwegian AF, that was sad to see the Starfighter go. It didnt have a terrible accident reccord like in Germany, and the pilots claimed they could take on the F-4, F-15, you name it, with ease.
Some of them quit when the Starfighter was replaced with the F-16.
A good point, but in its current form, NSM will not fit within the F-35 weapons bay. A new Joint Strike Missile version of NSM is planned for that role. This will not have the tandem booster of the ship-launched version, but will have engineering changes that slim it down to match the limitations of the F-35 weapons bay.
And as i understand it the F35B bays are shorter, thus the NSM will not fit anyway.
You made no such point. Instead, you opined about what a fighter-bomber might do if attacked. Now you have changed direction and are opining about what an escort fighter might do. Which is it?
You did, however, offer an opinion about F-4 vs F-104 high altitude combat that you have yet to explain.
Ok, so you are in a position to give an informed opinion on the matter. Why dont you do that then?
So it is more like a twin-engine f-35 then.