LindermyerIm not sure how many rounds he fired or had available, but if we assume 200 thats not that difficult or suspicious to amass, in days gone by I reguarly held upwards of a hundred rounds for the shot gun sometimes up to *200 (only 8 boxes at 25 a box)
* Due to a selection of load types for different targets eg Clays, rabbits and Geese
Not because I thought The russians/martians/Machines or Living dead wrere coming.
LindermyerMy point exactly, I have allways wondered though had spain (who to be honest had more sympathy with argentina) been unable to intercept the attempt to bomb ships in gibralter, where would this have led.
An attack on Gib would Technically fall under the remit of article 6.
(Edit) Article 6 also being the reason the falklands had ****** all to do with our allies.
LindermyerDunblane, Hungerford, and many more. There are one or two things that should, if true rang some alarm bells.
I would have thought where he obtained the fertilizer for his bomb, would have set alarm bells off, also where did he get his uniform from?.
Where did he get his firearms from, if he had a sniper rifle, he must have practiced somewhere to set his sights up etc.I agree, this person must have spent months planning this, to know when all those youngsters would be on the island for a start.at that particular time and day.
This was premeditation at it’s best, with the diversionary car bombing, then tearing off to the island to cause more deaths.
Don’t anyone ever tell me he was mentaly unballanced, in fact, it was near genius level.By his very sick actions alone, he has proved he is a very intellegent person, and in my books, should suffer the same fate as his victims,, never mind a lifetime in prison with all the goodies that go with long term imprisonment.
Now to raise the “Discussion” stakes, is it not time to bring back hanging?.
Jim.Lincoln .7
The slow police response was discussed at work today, I pretty much offered the same opinion as youreself.
The bomb was a diversion so all resources are allocated to the major incident, this means when the 2nd incident occurs it isnt just a case of despatching a team they have to be retrieved, reorganised and possibly re-equipped and then despatched. All of this eats up that most valuable of commodoties time .
It is a classic terrorist tactic, along with the other old favourite thankfully not employed of setting off a 2nd device as everyone responds to the first.
As for Alarm bells regarding the fertiliser well here and in the province I agree that would have been a bloody great red flag, but Norway hasnt had the UKs experiences and up until now probably never expected them. In all probability they werent watching for that type of thing. Of course how could they miss is being asked eith the benefit of20-20 hindsight.
Thanks Kev fixed taht last Para
LindermyerDunblane, Hungerford, and many more. There are one or two things that should, if true rang some alarm bells.
I would have thought where he obtained the fertilizer for his bomb, would have set alarm bells off, also where did he get his uniform from?.
Where did he get his firearms from, if he had a sniper rifle, he must have practiced somewhere to set his sights up etc.I agree, this person must have spent months planning this, to know when all those youngsters would be on the island for a start.at that particular time and day.
This was premeditation at it’s best, with the diversionary car bombing, then tearing off to the island to cause more deaths.
Don’t anyone ever tell me he was mentaly unballanced, in fact, it was near genius level.By his very sick actions alone, he has proved he is a very intellegent person, and in my books, should suffer the same fate as his victims,, never mind a lifetime in prison with all the goodies that go with long term imprisonment.
Now to raise the “Discussion” stakes, is it not time to bring back hanging?.
Jim.Lincoln .7
The slow police response was discussed at work today, I pretty much offered the same opinion as youreself.
The bomb was a diversion so all resources are allocated to the major incident, this means when the 2nd incident occurs it isnt just a case of despatching a team they have to be retrieved, reorganised and possibly re-equipped and then despatched. All of this eats up that most valuable of commodoties time .
It is a classic terrorist tactic, along with the other old favourite thankfully not employed of setting off a 2nd device as everyone responds to the first.
As for Alarm bells regarding the fertiliser well here and in the province I agree that would have been a bloody great red flag, but Norway hasnt had the UKs experiences and up until now probably never expected them. In all probability they werent watching for that type of thing. Of course how could they miss is being asked eith the benefit of20-20 hindsight.
Thanks Kev fixed taht last Para
LindermyerIm sure it could be done. On time and on budget well thats another issue
LindermyerThe Falklands was nothing to do with our allies, it was very much a national issue.
But to be fair our allies gave a fair bit of background support in 82, )although the mythical 9 lima advantage is just that – nobody was trained on the 9L and i believe all kills were within the launch parameters of the earlier model Winders)
LindermyerNo that was in what is little more than a sales brochure that said it was the most advanced or capable in the world – it didnt mention the Rafale.
Dassault claim the rafale is the most advanced
boeing claim the Hornet is the mo well you can see where this is going like wise any other manafacturer.
None of the claims are false exactly but they arent exactly true either – they emphasise the strong points with catchy sound bites.
Kovy without knowing all the relevant details well have to differ in opinion there.
LindermyerNo but when the incident in question was not the only result and the French Officer himself stated it was a “good Day” i.e unusually one sided.
It is simply a liitle cheeky, it was at the time good natured bragging with a sales pitch edge. Grand Claudcon did not claim that rafale was vastly superior to typhoon, The only problem in my eyes is the certain members of the Rafale Fan Club and the anti typhoon club) that translated it into total Rafale superiority.
In many ways i feel sorry for Claudcon as his word is very much devalued because of how his statements been packaged. Daton could well find the same.
I will say now what I said then
1) Dact proves nothing (ought to be my sig)
2) the aircraft are so similar in many ways that such total domination (assuming unscripted exercise) suggests serious doctrinal flaws, experience and or training of the RAF Pilots. (Tiffy Crews were in fact very inexperienced)
3) I Would maintain this if the results had been the opposite way round
Back to the article, He never talks about spanking or massive kill ratios he states the aircraft is vastly superiour to the current inventory.
I prefere the RAF to keep schtum, however given the number of pro – insert aircraft- articles that are out , perhaps eurofighter are leaning heavily for positive stories themselves.
Perhaps the RAF now feel its in there intersts to provide them.
May the most suitable aircraft for the indian requirements win (because it isnt about which aircraft is the best)
Lindermyerwhat about :
“Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now,” he said.
Not intended for print neither ?
But as I pointed out he also stated that No slight was intended its a much later aircraft, even BW grants the Tiffy with Souped up M2K status.
If Typhoon & Rafale werent streets ahead of what you currently operated there would be no point buying them.
Dont get me wrong It is typical hype and spiel, and as i always say Dact proves nothing, however unlike other comments there was nothing directed at a competitors aircraft, no insults were thrown at other aircrews.
To me it looks a lot like typical reporting, take the speech rearrange a few comments which distorts and sensationalises everything give it a snappy lingo and Bobs yer Crash Investigator.
Going by recent standards “well they lost” could have been a text to his wife
ref comments about RAF Pilots not normally speaking out – I suspect no pilots have Dalton probably flys a desk.
LindermyerIgnoring the headline
I dont see in Daltons remarks anything suggesting massive victories for the typhoon over the Indians.
Yes he does state that technology wise the typhoon is ahead of what they currently use (and we would be shocked if it wasnt) but also goes onto state that no slight is intended.
He seems to me to be emphasing training and teamwork above all else. sadly whattever reasoned and rational statements he has or will make will be lost in all the willy waving provoked by the headline.
Edited to add
” Well they lost” seems more of a throw away remark than a formal statement, and one which I suspect was not intended for print.
LindermyerThats him allways ready to give someone a hand
LindermyerThats him allways ready to give someone a hand
LindermyerThis is terribly sad news, as untimely deaths always are, but how many of us can say that we were entirely surprised to hear it?
Having said that, I can’t believe some of the comments on this thread.
Some of you must think that ’empathy’ means ‘the big building where the ampathador workth’.
Ah You mutht know my couthin Igor,
LindermyerThis is terribly sad news, as untimely deaths always are, but how many of us can say that we were entirely surprised to hear it?
Having said that, I can’t believe some of the comments on this thread.
Some of you must think that ’empathy’ means ‘the big building where the ampathador workth’.
Ah You mutht know my couthin Igor,
Lindermyer[QUOTE=19kilo10;1778491]. Two sticking points I would foresee with a Brit purchase: 1) The Brits love to mess up a good A/C purchase by throwing requirements in that are just out of left field, like different engines.
Whilst I agree that MOD procurement is something of a farce generally.
I feel i must make the point I assume above you are refering to phantom and Apache
Phantom had to have Speys in RN service (Note RN) as they couldnt get off the Ark with the existing engines (Baby Carrier Syndrome). Hopes of increased performance at alitiude were dashed by the increase in area (Que the old jokes re Speying) – Not a random Left fielder that but bloody essential.
apache – I wont even pretend to know why that was re-engined, perhaps as you suggest commonality, however the UK Apaches are Marinised and can operate with longbow attached in certain mountainous countries – other operators cant. Now whether that was a brilliant bit of forward thinking or sheer bloody coincidence is anyones guess.
Note Chinnok uses the same engines as everyone else.
So yes sometimes the UK does have odd requirements, but sometimes they are that, Requirements.
If F35 goes To the wall – I suspect Hornets would be the first choice, i also imagine they will leave the engines alone – 2 types is ok.
1) We allready have a European aircraft better to hedge the bets and have a US type
2) Costs and servicing much bigger pool of aircraft for the Hornet so these should be lower.
3) Buying Rafale will not help Typhoon sales – You just know it would be punced upon
“typhoon is a 2d rate performer,Even the Countries that make Typhoon want rafale, etc) lost in all the bull would be the fact it was bought for 1 reason only Carrier Capability).
That said i would rather rafale than any money thrown at Naval Tiffy
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