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Ok Now I see where your coming from with only half a drop tank is usable for the life of me I couldn’t work out what you meant and I think most other posters had a similar problem. What you meant is only about half the fuel in an external drop tank actually contributes to extending the range.
It is however over simplified and a touch hyperbole, you are also possibly neglecting that the same happens on internal fuel (sans drag).
Put 1000 Lbs of fuel in F35 and it will fly 200KM, put 2000lbs in and it wont fly 400KM probably more like 330*.

regards

* The figures are arbitrary and solely to demonstrate the point, before anybody takes them literaly.

Also got the speed drastically wrong, crew failed to monitor civil ATC, hailed it on an inappropriate frequency, got the airline schedules wrong because didn’t understand local time zones & struggled to read the print-out they had of schedules . . . . . they got just about everything wrong that was possible to get wrong, except for managing to fire weapons.

IIRC another ship in the vicinity had correctly identified the aircraft & tried to tell Vincennes it was about to make a ghastly mistake, but Vincennes wouldn’t listen.

I was keeping it a brief overview, although I didn’t recall that another vessel had attempted to alert Vincennes.

For Obligatory At the time the Vincennes (and ships flight) had just been or possibly were still in action against the Iranian Navy, so they were anticipating the arrival of the IAF.
If you combine this with the fact that the Airbus and F14s flew from the same airfield you can see where things started to go wrong.

Although we (rightfully) condemn the Vincennes for its error I have always felt the Iranian government bears a small portion of responsibility, Given that a battle was taking place at that time why were commercial flights not diverted away from this area. It would have been sensible to do so.

Regards

AAh along with copy of Angling times.

In my defence id got Y20 down as either ignorant or a troll so I was erring on the side of ignorant. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

I will now reassess and decide if he is a troll or a more sophisticated wind up merchant.

Edit

I think I may have confused Y20Bacon and another poster

@ Trumper

Prior to working in Cambridge I was in Bristol, in Bristol I was a cyclist I was clipped on 2 occasions (negotiating roundabouts) on one occasion the car pulled out the side road and stopped across the bus / cycle lane less than 6ft in front of me, I swerved but hit his car side ways no damage to me or the bike but the driver didn’t even look at me despite the almighty thud on his window. I also had a woman shout abuse at me because she pulled out behind a lorry and I cycled across her front – she seems to have been oblivious to my presence behind said lorry and assumed I had jumped off the pavement. (andof course a few Smidsy moments).

My point being I hated car drivers because they had no appreciation of me, I was in the right on each of the above occasions ie legal position on the road, not jumping lights well lit etc* when I got to Cambridge I encountered the Lycra louts etc (oh and foreign students but to be fair in their case its lack of understanding rather than will full ignorance) from there I developed a dislike of cyclists despite being one myself. I was in Cambridge a few years before learning to drive.

* I will confess to the incident where I failed to appreciate that on a wet road combined with a long steep hill braking at the 1/2 way point was too late. I crossed a busy roundabout and was at the 2nd before I stopped. No Arguments from me If id been hit it was my fault.

Cambridge area does appear to have more than its share of loons on the road though.

Regards

@giganick1

That was exactly my point I wouldnt need to go as I already had.

What happens if you needed to a dump? I assume curry is completely banned during times of war, lest there be some explosive action in the cockpit? :p

I dont know about the rest of you but at the point my ESM starts beeping madly and especially if a missile launch is detected I will NO LONGER need the toilet.

@ Tomcat modifying the oïl tanks may well be impossible given size and space constraints.
@ HK that relies on Brazil not being suspicious or investigating anyway.
@HK I think the black buck focus has come about as a means to disable ARG airpower before the carrier is in range.

Car drivers should be forced to ride motorbikes.They will then soon get an understanding of road conditions,watching out for those who don’t look into mirrors or know where the indicators are.
Cars are now so quick accelerating that people become impatient.Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule.
Most of it will come down to people leaving it too fine timewise for their journey and have to speed to keep to time.

I have a similar view I say car drivers should spend time on a cycle to gain awareness. However I also think cyclists especially the militant Lycra clad louts# so they become aware of the risks they run and the danger they pose.

I agree with the sentiment that as cars get safer, people seem to be encouraged to take more risks.

#and especially the pillock all in black with no lights at night going the wrong way around the poorly lit roundabout in Cambridge, you know who you are.

If you sense bitterness its because the subsequent incident is deemed my fault as a car driver, annoyingl had the other person been in a car or on a motorbike and ironically easier to spot it would clearly have been their fault.

@ Tomcat Apologies you posted as I was editing.

Fair point Re the Nav system.
Id forgotten OBOGS and have doubts about that.
We will have to agree to disagree regarding duration im inclined to Swerves figures regarding routing etc.

However I will Concede that if A Mk 4 flew an operational 11 hour sortie ( operqtion including exercises) and not just a ferry flight then 15 hours could be possible. 20Hours I seriously doubt is achievable.

I was unaware of the 15 hour F15 mission all i can think is Poor ******s.

For every one else I had a moment and confusede single engine and single crew (mk 3) with mk 4