I’m kidding, the A-4KU are definetely not war machines per se, they are in reality some sort of very fast moving “school benches”. the real naval fighters are to be chosen in som 5 years time.
You don’t really believe that yourself, do you?
Always nice that there are countries around willing to keep a flight of historical aircraft operational to show what was flown in the bygone era.
The existing Dolphins possess four 650mm tubes in addition to six 533 mm tubes:

Let’s post the whole article then (for educational purposes only) before it fades away:
Last update – 15:45 19/11/2005
Reports: Germany to sell Israel submarines at discount price
By Reuters
BERLIN – German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder’s outgoing government has agreed to sell two submarines to Israel for a deeply discounted price, German news magazines reported on Saturday.
Der Spiegel and Focus magazines said the two Dolphin class submarines would be built in Kiel for a total of about one billion euros (e1.17 billion) and the federal government, leaving office on Tuesday, would pick up one-third of the cost.
After the Gulf War in the early 1990s Germany gave two Dolphin class submarines to the Israel’s navy, which then bought a third for a fraction of the price.
Schroeder’s Social Democrat-Greens government had long been hesitant about selling more submarines, according to German media reports, over fears Israel could arm the Dolphins with nuclear weapons and threaten Middle East stability.
But according to Israeli security sources, the dispute was over whether Germany should charge the full price. Der Spiegel and Focus said on Saturday that Germany had indeed long resisted Israel’s request to help finance the cost of the submarines.
If the sale is confirmed, it would be the second major and long-delayed arms deal the government has agreed in its final month in office. Two weeks ago, Schroeder’s government agreed to sell 298 surplus Leopard 2 battle tanks to Turkey.
Source: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/647321.html
Wake up son
You really don’t have a clue about our Belgian friend, do you? By downplaying his knowledge on naval affairs this way, you probably have really provoked him. 😀
The Dutch ship has already arrived; its commander was on the radio this morning after having made a tour per helicopter over Biloxi. He seemed to be impressed by the damage on the ground.
Perfect for what? Serving as a blast from the past as a historical carrier aircraft show coming soon to a place near you? Perhaps they could feature in a Vietnam war biopic on the shoot down of John McCain. 😀
The brain child of Frederico Storani, the Argentine parliament wants to indite Margaret Thatchet before an international war crimes tribunal for ordering the sinking of the battleship General Belgrano in the 1982 Falklands war.
The first and most important obstacle to this wish is the non-existence of an international war crimes tribunal suited to this purpose. The only all-encompassing international tribunal, the International Criminal Court in The Hague, can only take cases which took place historically after July 1st 2002.
Hardly. I heard it does better than the Oceanworld in the same city.
I read otherwise:
Dive the Minsk? Soviet-era 902-ft aircraft carrier for sale
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by PAMELA PUN
End of the road for the 42,000 tonne relic of the Cold War or will the former flagship of the Soviet fleet live on as one of the world’s premier scuba diving attractions?
SHENZHEN, China (7 Dec 2004) — The scrapyard may be beckoning for the Minsk, a mothballed Soviet-era aircraft carrier whose previous date with the breaker’s yard was put off by a detour to a Shenzhen theme park.
Minsk Aircraft Carrier World, one of the hottest tourist attractions in Shenzhen, is seeking a ”white knight” to rescue it from bankruptcy after the financial shipwreck of its parent, D’Long International Strategic Investment.
Shenzhen officials have actively enlisted in the hunt for new investors, foreign or domestic, hoping the Minsk will cheat death again to occupy a place of honour in the the entertainment and tourism hub they plan to develop along the eastern shore of the Special Economic Zone.
Minsk World is reported to have defaulted on a 200 million yuan (HK$187.9 million) loan from China Construction Bank (CCB), one of the big four state-owned lenders. Since the Guangzhou Maritime Court froze its assets, it has been under the trusteeship of China Huarong Asset Management.
The chance to clamber over one of the world’s most formidable warships has attracted more than five million visitors and generated 450 million yuan in revenue since the theme park opened in September 2000.
Minsk World ranks among Shenzhen’s top four attractions, averaging 2,000 visitors on weekdays and as many as 5,000 per day at the weekend. The recent National Day holiday was a bonanza, with 110,000 visitors pushing through the turnstiles.
The admission fee is 110 yuan.
The 42,000-tonne, 275-metre-long carrier once carried 42 fighter planes as the flagship of the former Soviet Union’s Pacific Fleet. After the Soviet Union dissolved, Russia was unable to manage the upkeep, and the carrier was decommissioned in 1994. In 1998, it was purchased by an unidentified Chinese businessman after its weaponry was stripped off in South Korea.
It then passed to the theme park’s owner, D’Long Group, which is based in the northwest Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. Brothers Tang Wanxin and Tang Wanli, who set up the company, were seen as paragons of the new entrepreneur class until early this year, when their complex funding mechanism based on dubious stock transactions ground to a halt.
The park’s managers are playing down the crisis. A spokesman said management hoped to find new investors before March, when a court will hear CCB’s request to wind up the company.
Same in Holland, it had quite some difficulties.
The EU does not give a rats arse about Australia. As mentioned prevoiusly Australia’s trade with the EU is low (other than the UK who’s EU membership appears to often hang by a thread). The EU generally doesn’t even care about its own backyard. Kosovo was a mainly American idea and most of Europe had to be dragged in kick and screaming. So why would the insanely bureaucratic, inward looking EU care about some country in the Pacific?
Oh no, the EU cares a lot about its own backyard, mainly in the form of: “We do not want you to join us, as you will cost us a lot of money.” But then as always, the US jumps in, starts helping, supporting or bombing and stabilizing the (in general) Eastern-European country. However, seeing the US meddling in what the bureaucratic elite of the EU considers as its own backyard, the EU suddenly gets activated and begins dragging the country into the EU itself. Of course, to falsify history and safe appearences vis-Ã -vis its electorate, the EU-elites start claiming how well the EU was thoroughly involved with the country in question right from the start and that it did not need the US to push them in. This is the story of what happened in Eastern Europe ever since the Berlin Wall fell (and why that thing fell in the first place!!); we needed the US for German unification, getting the former Warchaupact nations back into Europe, to stabilize that terrible part we’d all rather get rid of called the Balkan and lately the questions of Georgia and the Ukraine. And then the EU-elites are always wondering why Eastern Europe likes the US so much. Now, I really wonder why…
The EU is mainly closed to Australian agriculutral products due to the Common Agriculutral Policy. This is unlikely to change in the near future as the CAP is the glue that holds the EU together.
Not really, the CAP is detested in North and North-Western Europe as we are the ones that finance all those small, backward farmers in Spain, Italy, Greece and France (and nowadays those in Eastern Europe as well). Another reason is that it prohibits free and fairer trade and that it leads to huge overproduction with names as the wine-lake and the butter-mountain. Oh yeah, we cannot dump it on other markets or we would force locals out of business and make them dependent and apathic. The CAP was one of the reasons of dissatisfaction with the EU what made my countrymen vote against the EU constitution yesterday. So, the CAP is more a divisive issue than some glue.
Well, that’s where they currently are, aren’t they? 😀
(Just kidding, I know Embraer and your airforce)
During WWII the Japanese never got as south as Australia before the Americans intervened pushing the main front to the northeast of Australia… Things would be VERY different if the PLAN was operating som 5-6 Kuznetzov sized Aircraft-carriers with Su-33s as their main weapon.
Australia felt quite threathened at the time. You never heard of the air raid on Darwin?
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Now that Algeria has started an arms race I wonder when Morocco and Libya will react to that.
And to Ink: Algeria houses Polisario which recently threatened with terrorist acts in Morocco, should they do so war is inevitable and so we would have to breach Algerian borders and thats where Algeria is waiting with its more advanced armed forces. I think its to intimidate its neighbours.
I wonder what Spain is thinking, Algerian AF MiG-25 flew recce missions over Spain.
I think that nowadays the EU (and the US) would apply lots of diplomatic pressure to stop serious tensions in North-Africa from developing. No need for even more instability in the Middle-East / our direct sandy backyard.
Russia is rearming its troops to give them “only the latest arms realistically needed to provide security and parry real, not mythical, threats,” Ivanov said. “First of all is the fight against terrorism.”
😀 yeah sure, Mr Ivanov.