Sorry this is off thread. Whilst we have this huge collection of very knowledgeable lancaster people assembled in one place. I am still searching for a pic of lancaster ND931 60-H of 582 sqdn, have followed many routes with limited success. Thank you. Keith Newsome.

The only photo I am aware of is in the Aircam Aviation Series No. 12, Avro Lancaster In Unit Service. Authors Garbett & Goulding, and probably long out of print.

The photo was taken ten days before it was lost in action. It seems to have been a special aeroplane. The serial was ND931/G at one time, do you happen to know why it had the suffix?

Here’s my last word on RF141’s under fuselage fitting.

I think what I’m looking at on the photo of RF141 at 22 M.U. is the same as appears on this Lanc (467 Sqn), and I’m now fairly sure it’s the mount for an H2S scanner.

You mentioned that there is a piece in the kit which doesn’t seem to serve a purpose. Would it not be to replicate this mount?

The FN64 mid under turret, H2S scanner, and later mod to re-introduce a rear and downward firing gun all used the same circular hatch which was built into the aircraft’s structure.

So, yes, RF141 may have had H2S, but it was removed at the M.U.

Perhaps someone could do some digging around to see what fit other 463 Sqn Lancs had at this time?

There is a small, and not too clear photo of RF141, at 22 M.U. Silloth, after the war, in Bomber Squadrons Of The R.A.F. by Philip Moyes.

It is photographed from the starboard side and confirms that paddle bladed props were fitted, no exhaust shrouds (although this might be a post war thing), and a window release chute in the bomb-aimer’s station, low down on the starboard side. I think the profile posted by captainslow just shows this.

Now here’s something to confuse you. She does not appear to have H2S fitted but viewing the fuselage bottom line beneath the mid upper, there appears to be a slight interruption to the curve, just where the H2S scanner would have been. I’ve seen this on Lancasters before, and it would appear to be a hatch for a downward firing gun.

Search around on this site for more discussion on these fittings, we had quite a lengthy thread on them not too long ago.

I can’t be absolutely certain about this because the picture is just not good enough, but my suspicion is aroused.:)

I never recall seeing a large lump some distance from the main site though, only scattered panels.

Thanks Alan, I’m pretty sure it will have been carted off for scrap long before 2005, it really wasn’t that far from the road, from what I can remember.

Hmmm, I might just try to retrace my 1970 footsteps anyway – you just never know!

Regarding the Upper Commons, Peak District Stirling, and its recovery in 2005, I wonder if anyone can say whether the very large “lump” that used to exist quite some distance east of the main wreckage site was retrieved?

It was easily accessible from the Sheffield side in the 1970’s, and seemed to have been abandoned, probably by a scrappy. It still had rope remains attached to it, as though someone had been dragging it down off the top (by vehicle).

I’ve half a memory that the contemporary wreck lists referred to it as being a Hudson(?) wreck, LJ628 not being on the lists at all.

I viewed it in about 1970 and the scale of it argued against it being a Hudson.

Anyone any ideas/recollections?

I’ve shown this before in another thread, but it’s worth uploading again.

An original copy of the Design Certificate for Flight Trials of Lancaster prototype BT308, dated 5th January 1941, and signed by Roy Chadwick.

😎 “nice…”