i don’t doubt its real – maybe im thick and its a wonderfull april fools come a few days late! I think at very very low airspeeds the Bug could indeed come out on top as could say and f16 or even mig 15 🙂 I’d love to read more about, guy on tanknet said it was on another forum he got it from and this was before it was on this one. ACIG maybe? i’m not a member of it but if anyone knows more details or finds more details out then it would be cool to hear more about this engagment. All i really wanna see though is Eurofighter up against F-22 , now that you could make a film out of, your guess is as good as mine on who would come out on top but sure as hell would be cool to see or even read about. Red Flag exercise in 5 years time maybe – might it happen? (please say yes ,please say yes lol).

rofl – sorry i didnt know that! i’m just amazed by some people on this site i guess lol, some really incredable Goerge Gallaway types in this forum and i don’t know how you cope with the onslaught of stupidity from some of this boards less rational thinking posters. Seems to me evry single thread becomes an Anti American rant, funny in a way but very sad sometimes when people are so blinded by Anti Americanism that they lose sight of all objectivity and rational thought processes. I give up on this here thread anyway. theres a saying something along the lines of ‘to argue with an idiot only lowers youreslf to the idiots level.’ not everyone here don’t get me wrong but some are , well i won’t go there. don’t wanna get banned on my first day of actually posting anything here lol.

yes SOC everything we see on the media is a lie, i mean everyone knows mossad blew up the world trade centres and everyone knows the wars all for oil. its like trying to step through i minefield of stupidity sometimes here, i’ve lurked on this site since it started and i really do feel sorry for you SOC and other rational minded people on here, the board just seems full of commie cranks and dictator lovers.

‘And example of killing innocent people!
Maybe you have killed 5 millions there in iraq! there is no way you can proov that you have’nt! after watching those tortures and killings in medias i feel bad to call myself humen! Killing just like you play on video games!’ that was from Barbarian. now lets look at this shall we and pick it apart, fisk it if you like. So we have killed 5 million in Iraq yeah and because we cannot prove we have not that is the figure you will believe. well thats so logical. Even the much ripped apart report in the Lancet medical journel only puts the figure at around 100000, more intelligent guesses that did not use Falluja as the ‘base model for every city’ as the lancet report auther did (who btw was an avid antiwar supporter before the war even began which in itself is a big clue to his reasoning ) sources such as Iraqi body count put the figure somewhere near 40000. Not quite 5 million i guess but your free to believe that if you like. Right heres a pargraph for you again/ now to fisk the bit that goes like this.
‘after watching those tortures and killings in medias i feel bad to call myself humen!’ Yes i too everyday in the media see American troops literally sawing off the heads of innocent people (sighs then rolleyes) , the torture you see if your heroic freedom fighters cutting off the heads of people such as ken bigly or nick berg to name a couple of the most famous examples. Abu Grabass prison?? well if you call being made to wear panties on your head and having a dog bark at you real torture then you would be utterly horrified to see what went on in these prisons when runb by your Hero Saddam – go search the net ,Memri site is a good place to start – there you can watch Saddams thugs cutting peoples arms clean off – choping thier heads clean off, people being executed for saying the wrong thing. I remeber one vividly that showed a man who had stolen something – Saddams boys had his hand surgically removed for it! You really do need to go an educate yourself on just how bad the regime of Saddam was (get the funny feeling you won’y but i tried) . I also suggest you then look into how other countires in that area also treat thier guests in jail. You will thewn see the huge gap between western standards and the standards that are frankly barbaric in the some (not all) islamic countrys. Perhaps you think lopping somebodys head off is perfectly acceptable or surgically removing thier eyes or ears or for that matter any part of thier body is ok because thats exactly what was happening in Iraq under the Baathist goverment. well sorry bout the grammer i Barbarian friend, but do yourself a big favour and learn abit before you start gobbing off about evil americans when your beloved dictaters are 1000 times worse.

yep have to say thats the best plan of all but trying to take out whiteman (that is there base isnt it) AFB isnt gonna be to easy i dont think. I’d imagine these scenarios are already taken into account and the like of Whiteman AFB would not let a bunch of Iranian commandos to simply waltz (maybe a salsa) in and wreck the place. Be gutted though wouldnt they lol – billions of dollers worth screwed up and mashed by a few hunderd bucks worth of morter fire :diablo: .Sabataging the fuel dump at thier air base would be a blow too but thats probably even tougher then trying to morter the base. I really don’t see many other ways they could presently take a B-2 off the USAF inventory. S-300 seems nothing but talk and i really don’t think would be enough, hell as soon as the much vaunted S-300 starts vollying missles around and switching on its radar it just becomes a matter of time before its either soft killed or worse for the Iranians hard killed. It would be extemely foolish and frankly daft to think counter measures for the S-300 hadn’t been developed and tested. Only a fool would would believe the S-300 is some sort of unbeatable waepon- not that anyone here said that mind it just seems to be the favourite view of alot of die-hard Russian gear fans. Now what about extremely high flying areostat ballons that have IR systems and a datalink on them, say up at 60000 feet and ,no forget that thats unworkable unless you have literally thousands of them. I don’t know but i get the feeling B-2’s could roam all over Iranian airspace with very little fear for air defenses. Also B-2 was rumored to have active cancellation systems wasn’t it? I’m no tech head but even if you do aquire a B-2 you then have to track the damn thing and thats the nearly impossible bit. Getting a firing solution on it ain’t gonna be a cake walk for anyone. Cap patrols by groups of Su 30’s or 27’s isnt really gonna help either is it? I mean wouldnt you just take the flankers out with fighter jets anyway and unless they were taking off from and Airfield under a mountin then i think thier airbase and weapons supply and fuel supply tanks are all gonna be totally flattened before the first hour of the wars gone by. If they wre lucky enough to get airborne before hand then good on em but it isnt gonna help when you a potentially 500+ sorties each day flying just about any where they want to in Iranian airspace.

Sheesh, just what is this forum about these days? Seems to me its become a anti Bush Blair hate fest and a pro-dictator love fest! Yeah saddam was a fantastic leader wasn’t he. (rolls eyes) I only wish i had lived under the fantastic Baathist goverment of Saddam for then i would truly have lived in a country ruled by the greatist leader of modern times. (sighs) Now back to Iran and its lust for atomic weaponry, and lets face it guys no amount of telling us they don’t want them is going to make any sane, rational person believe you.The evidence is almost over whelming in whats being developed. One name should be enough to make all of you realise this no matter what side of the fence your on, that name is Abdul Qadeer Khan. Now for those who don’t follow these things i suggest you go do some research on this man and his dealings with certain countries. Next i would say go research on Iranian statements about nuclear weapons and destroying Isreal, no not the famous speech that happened a few months back but all of the litterally hundreds of other times Iranian ministers and officials have said they will have the atom bomb. It may come as a shocker to some of you guys who only hear what mainstream media is telling you but Iran has been promising for many many years now to obliterate Israel with atomic weapons. Please save you breath arguing with me on this subject and use your mind to actually look up and find out about these statements. I am not here to argue but i feel some people are so blinded by anti Americanism that they cannot and will not see what is so perfectly clear to everyone else. I’m not jewish either so don’t think i am some Israel lover, I’m from the UK just before anyone starts screaming hatred in my direction. Look guys who do you think is really going to come out of this still standing when the Iranians aquire and use there new toys, i tell you for sure the people that will suffer more then any others will be the average decent Iranian. I’m sorry to dishearten you pro-Iranian anti American bunch but you leader is taking you down a path extremely similer to that which Adolf took Germany down. And please don’t tell me GWB is doing just that in Iraq for that argument is about the lamest most pathetic one going possibly only topped by the ‘its all for the oil’ mindless sort of commentry we hear. Oh for the record no millions died because of what we did in Iraq and please do not use the pathetic he never had WMD argument, he damn well did and the victims which were his own population were the ones that suffered more then anyone under the rule of that disgusting tyrant and his family, oh and don’t try that jaded old line ‘but we sold him the WMD because thats such a pathetic argument. Even if we had have armed him with WMD we did not make him use them on his own people! He took that decision, nobody else, not rumsfeild, not GWB, not Blair, but himself! Nobody forced his finger on the button as it were, he did it all of his own back. Ah then we have Kuwait and what his forces did to that country, i guess that was all our (the wests) fault like every thing else in the world is deemed to be today and not his own stupidity and gross underestimate of what happens when people misbehave. Iran is going down this same road but the end result my not be a three week ground war with the Goverment removed and the capital city stormed and taken as what happened to Saddam but this time it could mean Tehran and all the other wonderfull Iranian cities and surrounding areas are nothing but glass parking lots! I really do feel sorry for some people and the way they think the Iranian leader is a hero, hes simply leading you down his apocalytic road of doom unfortuantly. My hope is that the sensible Iranians will rise up and take the Islamic nutcase leaders out but i think its highly doubtfull considering the internal security forces are on a par if not worse them Saddams boys were meaning a brutal and very nasty put down to anyone who speaks out or trys to topple this idiot in power.