JimmyJJimmyJ, why do you think India needs to claim it. They can just do it if they have all the necessary technology without advertising it.
If you look at the recent press releases all the missiles tested had been claimed as nuke capable except for Brahmos. If that is a general trend that we see then I was wondering whether CMs that India is developing would be classified as nuke capable?
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JimmyJSo you would distribute your nuclear weapons and aircraft over the whole country? how many nuclear warheads would you keep apart dotted around everywhere? With the full confidence that they can be kept secure?
Thinking about Pakistan’s Nuclear Security in Peacetime, Crisis and War – Christopher Clary
The document is an interesting read and have answers, though not direct, to your question. It is related to Pakistan but could give a view on how spread the assets can be and mechanisms to keep the asset secured.
JimmyJIf there were very few fighters say just below 10 all the enemy would need to do is to track these assets. But what if they are in large numbers. Also in case of using nuke as a tactical weapon wouldn’t the fighters bring flexibility. The need of having a triad is about making it more difficult for the enemy to wipe out the delivery platforms and not about copying what Russia/USA/Britain does.
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to put things in perspective, the ENTIRE annual budget of DRDO is less than the amount spent in any one representative state (there are 28 states in all) through one poverty alleviation scheme NREGA (out of half a dozen such). I’m not even talking of the amounts spent on education or health care.
Well stated.
Rather than reducing the defense budget from the 2.5% GDP value, a better option would be for the well intentioned people to request Swiss banks directly fund and monitor poverty alleviation programs in India using the money deposited by the corrupt Indian politicians and bureaucrats in their Swiss bank accounts. After all this money was originally allocated by the Government of India towards welfare of the poor people of India but was stolen by the corrupt. It could be a good example that the Swiss could set.
JimmyJThough there have been lot of development on the missile front, the fighters will not lose the relevance till the missiles are operational.
Also any chance of a scenario looking to nuke targets that could be moved, say taking out mobile nuke launch facilities? In such cases fighters would be more flexible though they could be intercepted easily.
JimmyJJimmyJBecause Brahmos costs a lot more than what a harpoon costs(2.73 million to less than a million for the harpoon)..
Integration issue?
1. Of the fighters in the IAF stable only Su-30 is capable of carrying Brahmos.
2. Also I am not sure if a Russian missile will be integrated on to the Jaguar, P-8I, Mirage 2000 and a western MMRCA.
JimmyJMMRCA contenders yet to be shortlisted
India is yet to shortlist contenders for supplying 126 fighter jets under the $11-billion medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal. ‘‘At the moment, the Offsets Technical Committee—headed by the special secretary of defence production and including members from the defence research and development organisation (DRDO), Indian Air Force (IAF) and the ministry of defence (MoD)—is evaluating technical offsets proposals and sending their observations to all the six contenders,” officials privy to the process told FE.
The MoD can decide on shortlisting the contenders only when the technical offsets evaluation committee report and the field trial report are complete,” they said.
Based on the observations, vendors would submit fresh and revised offsets proposals, which will take a minimum of two months. After that, the contenders will be evaluated again and the recommendations will be sent for approval to the MoD, sources said, adding, “after it goes to the Cabinet Committee on Security for a final decision, government-to-government negotiations will be held in order to get additional benefits for the country.”
Lockheed Martin F-16IN, Boeing F/A-18, Dassault Rafale, EADS Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Russian MiG-35 are contending for the 126-aircraft programme. The Indian Air Force will invite different contenders to discuss flight evaluation reports once the field trials are complete.
The contenders, along with their partners, have also been invited by the MoD to present their offsets proposals. So far, the IAF has had a meeting with Lockheed Martin and Dassault of Rafale.
According to sources, “Vendors complying with the rules, the defence procurement policy and technical offsets will ultimately be considered. Also, the lowest bidder and the designated L1 will be selected as the MMRCA.” For the first time, IAF will consider the ‘life-cycle costs’, rather than just the lowest bid.
JimmyJIndia Seeks DIRCM Partners To Protect Aircraft From Missiles
India is looking for overseas partners to jointly develop a laser-based directed infrared countermeasure (DIRCM) system to protect aircraft against ground-launched infrared guided missiles.
The DIRCM will be jointly produced with India’s state-owned Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), based in Bangalore.
Global tenders for the multimillion-dollar contract have been sent to defense companies in Europe, Israel, Russia and the United States, said a senior official of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which controls the DARE laboratory.
The DIRCM self-protection suite is a laser-based directed infrared countermeasure system for protecting aircraft and helicopters against shoulder-launched heat-seeking missiles known as MANPADS.
The Indian Air Force re-evaluated the threat from such missiles after the Kargil battle in 1999 when two of its aircraft, a MiG-21 and a MiG-27, and an attack helicopter were hit by MANPADS, Air Force sources said.
The service wants systems with jamming capabilities as part of the defense against such missiles Air Force sources said all the aircraft will be equipped with advanced DIRCM systems while the helicopters are equipped with protection against infrared-seeking air-to-air missiles.
A DARE official said a missile warning system would cue DIRCM, which then would turn toward the approaching threat and direct its laser beam toward the missile’s seeker to disrupt its guidance system and break its lock on the aircraft.
India wants the DIRCM to be able to counter current-generation MANPADS, a senior Defence Ministry official said. The system should be able to defeat a missile fired from below the aircraft and should be effective at altitudes of at least 15,000 feet.
Though the current tender is mainly for Air Force aircraft, helicopter protection is also vital, the Defence Ministry official said.
DARE and EADS Defense Electronics are jointly developing a missile warning system for the homegrown Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter. The system, based on EADS’ MILDS AN/AAR-60 warning sensor, will be integrated into the Dhruv’s existing multisensor warning system, the DARE official added.
The missile warning system will detect and track the ultraviolet emissions of approaching missiles, including heat-seeking, shoulder-launched missiles, the most prevalent threat.
JimmyJIAF planes, missiles to avert 9/11 type attack
The Joint Command Analysis Centres (JCAC) at Delhi, headed by an Indian Air Force officer, which is an establishment comprising both IAF and civilian functionaries is likely to be weaponised.
Government sources said that currently, in case a threat is detected from any civilian aircraft over Delhi, the JCAC meets and decides issues such as authorisation to scramble IAF aircraft to neutralise the threat, if any.
But the weaponisation of JCACs with surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) will add a whole new dimension. It will mean that once a civilian aircraft is identified as a rogue aircraft posing a terror threat, it can be knocked out of the sky with SAMs.
In any case, the anti-hijacking policy of the government — formulated in 2005 — permits shooting down of a civilian aircraft if the aircraft is being used as a “missile” in a 9/11-type attack. New Delhi has some prohibited airspace over it on account of the presence of important buildings like Parliament, Rashtrapati Bhavan and North and South Blocks.
But, as was seen during the Mumbai terror attacks, even high-profile private buildings can be attacked by terrorists to cause maximum damage. Following the Mumbai terror attacks, intelligence agencies had received inputs that terror groups may now attempt to strike at high-profile targets using small aircraft or attempt to hijack aircraft and use them as missiles in an operation similar to the 9/11 attacks in the US.
Sources said the objective is to integrate airspace so that the JCACs can identify all aircraft flying in Indian airspace at any given time. The proposed induction of the satellite-based navigation system “Gagan” will help immensely, sources added.
Government sources, however, said extreme caution has to be exercised to ensure that a civilian aircraft is not shot down by mistake.
JimmyJWhich raises a question for an outsider to Indian aerospace like me. Why has GTRE’s comparatively bad performance been tolerated rather than being addressed and fixed?
comparatively? Do we compare with giant Western corps or just with ISRO?
India is not a developed nation but a developing one and have all the problems associated with a developing nation. India is no exception to it. A lot of materials are available on internet on this topic. We still face issues like corruption, lack of accountability and lack of resources. But just because of it should we hid our heads in the sand and believe that no one is watching us? Definite no.
If a developed nation like USA has trouble in bringing out F-35 on time and within the budgeted amount, do you really expect India to do any better? But look at the difference. In US, as part of accountability, you may fire the CEO or the technical person associated with the project and prove to the tax payers that they are accountable. But did it really bring down the cost or eliminate the issue, no. Now, why was it possible to fire, because there was a replacement, probably a better one. And because the US economy would make an Indian one feel like an ant standing along side an elephant.
Some of the suggestions made by few Indians on this board was that they want to fire people to bring accountability. And then what with whom are you going to replace? They assume as if India is a paradise that just blossomed and is just like a developed nation.
Look at the solution that they have proposed
1. Fire
2. JV
3. Dismantle
Is that all, and to what depth was the post made, foot deep? No wonder if people starts losing their patience. I wished at least they are capable of appreciating a little progress that has been made than continuing with the rant whole time.
Three pages of gibberish, I really hope the mods delete these posts including mine
JimmyJIIT-Kanpur To Help Create Indian UCAV
The Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (IIT-K) will now help develop critical technologies for AURA, India’s concept UCAV programme. Sources tell me aerospace researchers at IIT-K (some of the best in the country, incidentally), have been given research work worth almost half-a-million dollars, and will soon get even more.
JimmyJWould I be correct in saying that the there is a major contribution towards technology development from Colleges and Universities in the West? There the private industry partners with education institutions How much amount do we spend for research at College and University level in India?
If we do not improve at the basic level do we expect the industry to train the pass outs? And if private industry is about efficiency would this add or reduce efficiency and productivity? If there is not enough skilled man power how will we ever create a mega defense industrial complex?
The problem that we are trying to address cannot be killed in a single shot, so trying to fit one solution for everything may not work.
But then doesn’t this sound a big OT 😉
JimmyJSorry but couldn’t follow that, how would you use carrot and stick to make a production guy start designing?
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