C-17’s
Well, at least things are looking up for the Air Force:
OTTAWA — The government of Canada has finally inked a deal with Boeing Co. to buy four C-17 Globemasters, giant jets the Canadian Air Force will use to transport tanks and other large pieces of military equipment all over the world.
CTV News has learned that government officials will announce details of the contract on Friday at Canadian Forces Base Trenton in southern Ontario. National Defence Minister Gordon O’Connor and General Rick Hillier, the Chief of Defence Staff, will be in Trenton for the announcement.
Source: ctv.ca
Regards,
Danmac
National will
Unicorn,
Thanks for your comments. When I argue with pals over a few cold ones, I usually mention the Australian example of ‘bang for the buck’.
Where the difference lies is in government. The Howard government if I’m correct has a majority in parliament. Here in Canada the Harper government needs the support of at least one opposition party (all centre-left/left) to pass legislation. So, the kind of spending spree as we see in Australia is simply not possible here in the near term.
The other is the demand to ‘build in Canada’. Australia has at least been able of keep a nucleus of engineers and industry thanks to your last two Perrys, Anzacs, Collins, Armidales etc. Our shipbuilding industry has been left to deteriorate to the point that it will take billions just to get a shipyard up-to-snuff. Then, it needs a steady stream of orders to make that huge investment viable in the long term.
Then.. there’s the issue of national will. As a country, we made a decision a long time ago to go for expansive — and expensive — social programs. Some would argue we made the right decision. That said.. we made our bed.. and are now realizing just how expensive it is to lay in it.
Regards,
Danmac
Re: Canadian cuts
Greetings,
For those of us who are naturally inclined against governments who say one thing and do another, this much must be said in a Canadian context.
We have a defence minister who actually wore a ‘Canada’ shoulder badge and a government that was elected on a platform that included increased defence spending in a very public plank.
That said, the present cuts reflect national reality: a country in which defence spending has been viewed dimly; a population (and tax base) that’s 1/10th of our neighbour’s and a war in Afghanistan.
Regards,
Danmac
Re re: cuts
By the way.. forgot the mention this proposal would cut the CP-140 fleet from 18 to 12, providing spares until a new MMA (P-8 Poseidon pretty please) comes on stream. Same goes for the CF-18 fleet.. reducing numbers as the government looks at the F-35 program. We’ve signed on and are helping fund development with our NATO/Pacific allies.
Regards,
Danmac
Re: cuts
Two words: minority government.
The Tories are seen by many commentators as actually the most pro-military government since the late 50’s. The problem is trying to get in major programs (C-17, CH-47, Nyala and joint support ships) while trying to keep a relatively pacifistic opposition happy enough to keep the Tories in power. That.. and Afghanistan is eating up a good chunk of the budget.. something anyone in the UK (and knows the RN) can appreciate.
That said, there’s no definitive design chosen yet for the JSS. It’s hoped that will happen next year with steel cutting soon after. As for the future surface combatant, 2014 is optimistic in my view.. and the oldest frigate HMCS Halifax, will be 24 years old. If anything, the tankers should be put in standby reserve to keep their steam plants in decent shape until replacements arrive.
Regards,
Danmac
Thanks
Actually SIRIUS is not a radar, it’s an IRST. Thales proposed SMART-S Mk2 to the FELEX by the way.
Cheers,
Sunho
My bad..
Danmac1
RIMPAC 2006
Forestin,
Nice picture of the Almirante Blanco here:
http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=36257
Pulling into Pearl,
Regards,
Danmac1
Politically palatable
It’s a minority government, in a country with a historical antipathy to defence spending.
Agreed that more should — and likely will — be spent on the ‘ pointy end ‘ of things. But for now, our biggest issue.. that of getting troops to distant theatres and supporting them.. is being addressed. We can talk about future Air Force/Army requirements down the line, but in a purely Naval context, getting the support ships built is a big deal. It allows industry to ramp up once more after a decade of being dormant on the defence side, and by the time those ships enter service, DND should have it’s ‘ Common Surface Combatant ‘ or CSC.. sorted out and ready to cut steel.
In the interim, the Halifax class is getting ‘ FELEX ‘. The Frigate life extension program entails Evolved Sea Sparrow, as well as upgraded communications, Sirius radar, and upgraded computer software. The concern for me is what happens to the Tribals in the interim before the CSC’s roll down the ways.. those hulls are wearing out, and I have my doubts as to whether the Victoria’s will ever achieve their designed potential.
Cochrane
Ok… will be good to see her in ‘ Chile ‘ Grey.
Regards,
Danmac1
P.S. Expect photos of the ‘ Blanco ‘ in coming days on the the US Navy’s website as part of the RIMPAC 2006 exercises.
Check out RMN homepage
Hi,
Did a quick Google search and found a link to the ships on the Royal Malaysian Navy’s website… but be warned.. it’s been a pain to download…super slow.
navy.mod.gov.my/sitecont/option-com_content/ task-view/id-94/Itemid-1/lang-en/
Thanks Forestin
Appreciate the link. And for you, a link to the Viel’s former life in the Canadian Coast guard.
http://www.garde-cotiere.gc.ca/usque-ad-mare/details_e.asp?Name=Norman+McLeod+Rogers
By the way, has anyone in Chile seen any pics of the Type 23 Cochrane? I check shipspotting.com almost daily, but no luck yet.
Regards,
Danmac1
Supply ships
It looks like they will be a hybrid tanker/support ship with some sort of Roll on/Roll off capability — see the SFU link above. As for tankers, we have two.. HMCS Protecteur and Preserver, built 1969/70.. so getting geriatric. As for where they would be built, Halifax is an option..possibly.. so is the Davie yard in Quebec. The best yard to build them — Saint John.. is now closed — it built the Halifax-class.. with three subcontracted to Davie.
Antartica
Fantastic.. post some pictures when you do.
Re: Pumas
Absolutely, not to mention the MM-38’s on your FAC’s.. and don’t you still have Gabriels on your Saar’s? But again, quite an inventory to manage. As an aside, ship buffs — like myself — will miss the Chilean County class. They were handsome ships.. well maintained by your country. Chile actually made them pretty potent surface units with the deletion of Sea Slug and the addition of the expanded helo deck and Barak. But.. they were still way too manpower intensive and absolute gluttons when it came to fuel. Your navy will save a bundle just by going to CoGaG and CoDaG propulsion. By the way, as a Canadian, it’s nice to see how your country has maintained the Oscar Viel Toro icebreaker. Just so you know.. she was a history maker in Canada. The first icebreaker in our country to be built with a gas turbine, as well as diesel propulsion.