GoldenDragon: Thanks for the answers to my questions. However, I can see from the above statement that you are a flamer of as bad a kind as you accuse anybody else of. Sorry for saying this, but I have zero belief in ANY of your claims after seeing your flaming.
It is not flaming. It is stating a fact. Flaiming is more speculation without
evidence.
we dont even have a credible public appearance of the J-10 infront of foreign media yet reams have been written about its capabilities I missed a thread on that ?
No you don’t missed a thread on it. The product capability depends upon the country
making it not on the product itself.
you dont buy CVs for short term!
that would be a time and money wasting activity.and AG will be in India in 5 years. so will be its air wing.
Invincible does not make up for the shortcomings I highlighted. and there is no way anyone will purchase a CV and its entire air wing as a short term solution.
Why you are so sure that ADS will be there in 10 years? It can be 50 years.
In terms of weight how can two seater with canards and TVC be equal to another
one with single seat.
how can single Su-35 seater and its twin seater derivative Su-30MKI be the same.
Thats the only reason why the Flanker is preferred by the PLAAF over the JH-7?
Hello…………
Knock knock
From where the preference issue came?. JH-7 is now entering service
and is mostly for Naval strike role not Air superiority.
Well you speculated- i counter speculated. Its called Mutually assured speculation.
Now you really are making no sense at all, mon ami.
The Russians are hardly releasing superior tech if they sell downgraded tech, wot? The Adder purchase may have included a “help us with SD10” clause as well. Pay enough and the Russians will help. Your boys get a missile, the Russians get money. Yaawn.
IMHO, the SD10 seeker and datalink are the same as that of the R77’s per the reports, some tweaking apart. So this downgraded/ all new indigenous stuff is a bit of a charade.
You have to show me the report where it states SD-10 comes from
R-77?. Designer is the most credible source not some speculation. If
Adder purchase have the clause than SD-10 will have straight gone to
Su-30MK units. I have not seen Chinese aircraft with Russian missile either.
So thats why the PLAAF relies on the Flanker for its edge? Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmm……
because Flanker is with PLAAF while JH-7 is with PLAN. And flanker doctorine
is already established.
Then why dont we see JH7’s instead of Su’s? Occams razor. C’mon.
Because Flanker is import product. Its transfer generates more news.
Logic= SD10 designers speech.
Everything else is illogical.
Oy Vey very logical indeed.
Just figured out why you got the name.I agree. The SD10 is all there is, it is the beginning and the end.
So it is written and so it is said. **Enter elephants, parade , cheerleaders and the trumpets.
Hmm.
Now getting back to topic and fun apart.
Russia may release tech- downgraded perhaps. But the designers may use the same whilst developing their own. Using mature tech would speed up the program and allow more to be done faster.
The earlier SD10 tests may well have been unguided launches and the deal for guidance may have been struck later. No big deal. Happens all the time. See how the Indians are going about with their BVRAAM development. Though they have chosen MBDA instead of Russia…
SD-10 is advance than R-77 by several steps so how can you say that it is
based on down graded R-77tech? Russians are in the business of making
money. It is illogical that they will release superior tech and later sell the
missile. SD-10 is first tested on J-8 not on Flankers. This will show you the
compatibility logic also.
it is highly unlikely
Sure they should be. But should and must often differ.
There is no reason why it should not be. Even JH-7A is pretty advance
interms of FBW and avionics.
C’mon my friend give it a break. There are reports out there which clearly mention the opposite. Nobody is taking credit from the SD10 design crew- the rest of the missile is pretty solidly Chinese and the idea is ingenious to begin with. This SD10 designer is infallible business is a bit fanatical, wot?
And what is crediblity of those reports? The only thing credible is chief
desinger interview. Every thing else is just speculation. R-77 came with
Su-30MK in an around 2001-2002. By that time SD-10 tests were well
underway. It is unlikely Russia will release technology before actually
making profit from the product. So again think logicially.
The Russians will agree to integrate SD10’s ultimately on the Su’s- they would have factored it in otherwise, why release the seeker and datalink?
SD-10 is not related to R-77. Chief designer has clearly spelled out it.
My point is that the PLAAF has better things to spend money- rather more urgent priorities, than gold plating its Su27’s which even today, are quite capable.
So what are the other urgent priorities?(keep in mind financial and industrial
strenght).
Speculation is in the eyes of the beholder. Let me spin this back at you. Do we have any credible evidence to state that the Russian Flankers have been modernised with Chinese made avionics?
Has anyone on this forum looked inside a Su in Chinese colors or talked to an actual pilot? Till then, all the rest is speculation as well- informed and well intended speculation, but speculation nonetheless.
There is some thing called logic. Russian Flankers should be top on the
upgrade list considering there importance in terms range and payload.