While the seeker head, the very brain of the missile, and the inertial guidance system and datalink, is from Russia/ Belarus (former Soviet and in the exact same condition with Russian, as well as an obviously symbiotic relationship with Vympel etc.). Without which it would just be a glorified dumb fire missile.

Contrary to popular perception SD-10 has nothing to do with

R-77 tech (Which is basically project R-129 outside). We have

to wait a little longer for actual export to know the real thing.

It is more continuation of AMR-1 program in some other form.

Originally posted by flex297
As I have already pointed, a Turkish F-16C was shot down by HAF Mirage 2000EGM, thus *no losses* belongs to the past since 1996. Dutch only scored one kill. Pakistani scored 8 kills, by far not claimed 16. They shot down three Russian Su-25s, two DRAAF Su-22M-3s and three Antonow An-26 transports. This is nothing called as serious counterparts to prove F-16’s capabilities.

BTW, in 1999 three PAF F-16As were lost to MiG-29 and Mirage 2000H.

We could argue a lot about how many of the shot down pilots were serious opponents and how many of the shotdowns were under comparable conditions (EW, AWACS, fairly compartable pilots) etc. Israewli kills definitely prove capabilities of IDF/AF as a system but say little about the capabilities of the particular aircraft involved.

We could also mention the neverending line of F-16 crashes. Ask some Dutch friends who already lost a significant part of their entire fleet. How many was it, Arthur?

Error Mirage 2000 is a Western plane not a Soviet. And i feel that

it is more advanced than turkish F-16C. Secondly PAF kills are well

documented for Soviet. From 99 war IAF-PAF you can see the

wreckage of IAF MIGs but not of any F-16.

And Dutch F-16s may be too old. Never heard there purchasing

any F-16 recently.

Originally posted by Shkval1
Ugh-ugh-ugh! 😀

P.S. Heve you already removed those phallic symbol that you could see from Taiwan? I guess no.

Now China thinking is a little more complicated than what

is publicly repeated. China can take it any time but it has to think

outside the box and a little long term.

I have great respect for Russia technology but in that particular

war it is not effectively employed due to various assumptions

as mentioned by various posts.

Originally posted by Victor
A more plausible method of developing bridges b/w India and China is by increasing trade rapidly where both countries become important trade partner of the other. Trade is where it’s at.

But India and China will remain strategic competitors. Both countries have skeleton crews manning the mutual border as a show of confidence in their relationship. But the underlying strategic (economic, political, and military) strains will be there. Just not as open as it is b/w India and Pak or China and Taiwan.

Trade is not the important thing. China already had billions with

US and Japan and still build military. It is the military sales that

will be the key.

Originally posted by Victor
So you want India to buy the FC-1 without any offset benefits?

Hey look, there goes Falcor and Atreyu 🙂

FC-1 will be sold with full Tech transfer provided it is bought in

reasonable quantity. Don’t you think that buying FC-1 from China

is itself a benefit to India because China manufacturing is

cheaper and better quality. Why buy a Japanese Notebook when

you can get China made at 1/3 the price with similar performance?

Originally posted by Victor
How about China buys 250 LCAs and India buys 250 FC-1s?

The cold war would have been over long ago only if the USSR bought the F-104 and the US bought the Mig-19. :rolleyes:

India needs Aircraft quickly. China is not in the hurry for buying

FC-1. Can you provide reasonable date of LCA with Kaveri engine

because i doubt US will allow F404 to China?

Originally posted by Arthur
SD-10, if you have no interest in being informed in the stuff you don’t like, why do you actually visit this forum?

So i should not post if i don’t agree with your assessment.

I simply stated what was obvious that Soviet were lacking both

in technology and tactics in the war. Where were the Soviet

AWACs or Ground based radars or Fighter radars. In recent Gulf

war US new that Irak does not have any credible airforce or SAMs

but still they brought all their tech might. And your putting simple

assumption that because opposition to Soviet did not had the

tech so Soviet donot use their own tech which is obviously

wrong. So it proves that i am interested in this topic.

Originally posted by flex297
I see that Sovs attacked mudjahedeens that were looking for hideabout behind Pakistani borders and also that many Soviet aircraft lacked RWR or even flares and other countermeasures. Soviet attackers did not carry any air-to-air missiles for their own defense since mudjahedeens did not possess any aircraft and DRAAF was on Soviet side, this seems quite understandable to me… PAF did react on this violation of their airspace and shot some aircraft down as well as they might have shot down some aircraft that violated Pakistani airspace by navigation error, too..

I still do not accept the facts presented here about how Sovs planned to attack Pakistan and about how PAF smashed Soviets out of the sky and thus prevented an invasion.. These are only artificial stories to make PAF look mightier and deadlier as they actually are and as such are not backed by any historical proofs. IMHO the whole Pakistani Air Force wouldn’t be able to withstand Soviets for more than several days. End of topic.

Good post.

Yeah Soviet aircraft lacked RWR, Flares, countermeasures and

even radars and were droping bombs by hands and were carrying

only guns no concept of missile. This thing look more funnier than

initially thought.