SD-10Originally posted by YourFather
I’m sorry, SD-10, but your statements ARE heavily race biased. Also, your statements about Indian being jealous and not being self-assured, the same can be said of China. In fact, reading articles from China sources (official or otherwise), I cant help feeling disgusted by all their self-glorifying and self praising. And all these just shows how insecure China is of her power.And I am Chinese, so dont go about with this BS that I am anti-chinese. I just come from a multi-racial society, and I’m bought up to be ‘color-blind’, that’s all.
Where i quoted any thing from official chinese news? Every Govermnemt will like to be shown in good light. And if you have came from multiracial society what it has to do with China.
SD-10Re: SD-10
Originally posted by GoldenDragon
Sd-10, if you’re smart, you wouldn’t reply to any Indian. Simply ignore them.If you reply you will do nothing except feed their bloated sense of self-importance and encourage them to continue their attacks.
You ignore the flamers and let them talk to themselves, you’ll keep your thread a lot cleaner.
That was the only reason I was able to keep my FC-1 thread around for 20,000 views after FOUR previous threads were locked by constant Indian flaming,
Be smart, the best way to burst their bubble is by ignoring. You should never acknowledge flamers by responding.
Actually I mistook SOC for an Indian. I confronted him in atleast 6 threads such as Middleast Nukes, Pakistan Nukes, LCA Vs T-50, Russian Satilites, J-10, etc. And every time he was bringing China as example in other issues. Your advice is good. But if some body do it repeadtly it is better to confront them Just like I dressed up the Brute Gorrilla. Brute Gorrilla is no longer a problem now.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
Bhairav I’ve got nothing against Indian food for sure, I do enjoy a good curry 😀SD-10:
“You can visit India in winter. But you must visit them. There is some flights from India to China now. From where are you?”The US. Most of my “travels” are to the Middle East 😎
“I know they chose for convinience. But Haley point was more in ethical sense. “
My whole argument was that there was nothing ethical about it as far as I could see.
I will end it here. I usually fly high and wide over India and Middleast.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
Actually I never really wanted to travel to India. I don’t care too much for the humidity and the heat (fortunately when I travel for “work” I only deal with the latter…). But China definitely.
You can visit India in winter. But you must visit them. There is some flights from India to China now. From where are you?
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Not rehashing this all over again. Read back and find where I sexplained why certain countries’ products recieved names and others didn’t.[/QUOTE]
I know they chose for convinience. But Haley point was more in ethical sense. Either designate the system based on Country of origin or System itself.
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How far do you have to travel when your aggressor lives on your border? [/QUOTE]
India-Pakistan are not that develop. Shanghai or HongKong is worth more than the entire sub-continent. There is nothing on the border but grass or sand or some mountains.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
I’m not debating the economic superiority of one nation over another, I personally have little experience in such matters myself. However, forming a bias against a nationality based on the miniscule percentage of the population you’ve met here is ludicrous.
The people coming here and on their BR forum are the most educated one of their country. If they think like this. Imagine how their uneducated will think. and their is not that many educated in their country. I think you should visit both India and China. See the difference for yourself.
[QUOTE]Ah, ah, ah…I said the SYSTEMS themselves were the threat. See my post above..[/QUOTE]
How about British, french, German and Swedish systems? There are some of them i think in Saudi, Pakistan and some other countries hand. If you consider only System as a Threat.
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Lethal denotes a weapon with the capability to kill. This is why there are such things specifically known as non-lethal arms. I don’t have any fear of PAF LGBs, you’re the one who is ignoring that they are obviously not intended to be used in a purely defensive manner. And again with the labelling. You’d think people could grow out of that, but I guess not. [/QUOTE]
How much can J-7 with LGB travel.? It will be used near the border to prevent enemy infantory. It is still defensive.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
Again, more with the anti-Indian bias from you. Are you telling me that every Indian person is jealous, illogical, and thinks in contradictory terms? I’d like to see you try and defend that accusation.
Just look at the LCA vs T-50 thread. There was another J-8 thread. there is another FC-1 thread. Almost the same mentality is coming out. I can just figure it out by the post that person is an Indian. And i have some other practical experiance also. How on earth they want to compete with us. India credit rating is B our credit rating is AAA.
Being a superpower, which I would agree China is, does not mean that the US wouldn’t end up at war with you. We were fully prepared for war with another superpower for around 40 years.[/B]
To be prepared for something does not mean that you will actually go for it. China is now the second largest creditor to US unlike Soviet with which it US has little Bussiness relationship.
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To who?.[/QUOTE]
You said in earlier posts that China and Russia are threat nations thats why this “F” nomenclature is ok.
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You said “lethal arms”. Are you now saying that Chinese weapons aren’t lethal? And how do the LGBs exhibited with PAF J-7s constitute self defense weapons? [/QUOTE]
In my opinion lethal weopons are WMD and advanced cruise and Solid fuel Billistic missiles. Not some J-7 LGBs. US has sold these kind of weopons around the world for very long time. Some near China. This only shows that you are some kind of Indian because of your fear of Pakistan LGBs.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
There’s a nice statement of obvious bias and racism if I’ve ever seen one :rolleyes:
Either you haven’t dealt with India people or you are itself Indian by making this kind of statement. There is no cure for India jealousy and complexities towards China. They should take their country to some other continent where they will be considered important. They are fed up of thier Pathetic status in International affairs. How many times have Mr Bush visited China vs India? German Chancellar has visited 5 times in 5 years to China. India is no more than a gas station or repair work shop for US ships.
Were China to invade Taiwan, do you honestly believe that the US would sit idly by? I personally agree with the one-China policy, but if the missiles started to fly what do you think the US would really do?
And Do you believe US will go to War for some unrecognized piece of territory. Wakeup it is 21st Century not 20th Century. China is already a SuperPower.
Iran isn’t a threatening nation? Pakistan isn’t considered a threatening nation by some? They’ve all recieved Chinese J-7s. I bet Saudi Arabia isn’t exactly a perfect neighbor in Israel’s eyes, and China has sold Saudi MRBMs. Now is that irresponsible? Not as far as I’m concerned. If someone wants to buy your product, more power to you. But saying China is responsible only because they don’t sell weapons to threatening nations is obviously not true in the least.
For your information that J-7 is MIG-21 type aircraft for self defense. It does not have the range for strike missions. Iran Nuclear reactor is being built by Russia. and their Missile program is mostly based on Scud or some NK missiles.(Dont tell me silk worm is threat they already have Russian KILOs). Only Pakistan has been provided M type solid fuel missile and that only for defense against India. That Saudi Missiles are old liquid fuel missiles. India has perfect relations with IRAN and it is another thing that India cannot offer anything interms of technology.
Isael has no problem with China. They were perfectly willilng to sell Phalcon. It was US which prevented it. Isreal is also provided tech interms of radar, EW, Avionics. A cruise missile called “Daliah” pretty much every thing Taiwan has or will have. This is all in recognition of China neutrality and peacful nature. Other wise Arab Oil or money is in abundance.
You still haven’t explain it why China is Threat?
Brazilion, French, Russians, German, Arab, African, Israel, East Asian does not consider it that way. Only Indians may be but this all due their own unimportance relative to China.
If thier is a vote in UN. China will get over 150 votes vs US around 20 to 30 votes. thats for sure. Because China foreign policy is based on building relationships with Countries not with their Governments or Leaders unlike US which always support individual leaders for its own purpose. You cannot blame US failure in terms of International image on China door step.
SD-10Originally posted by Haleyoneshoemak
Its good that you brought it but it will go into endless argument over “THREAT” perception. You cannot change the system untill the word “THREAT” is there.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
“OC, are you implying that Russia (former USSR) and present day China are threats to your country or to the world and that your country (whichever it might be) is not???”Do they sell their products to threat nations, such as Iran and North Korea? Yes they do, so the naming system is still a valid concept. Are they still threats to the US? Yes they are, although I’d rate Russia as the least likely of the two to come to blows with the US.
“Now why is that???”
:rolleyes:
“Damn!!! All the while, I thought the Russians and the Chinese were the only ones that harboured such silly notions, such unfounded fears, and such unneccessary PHOBIAS!!! Once again, I guess I’ve learned something new again today!!!”
What are you talking about? You’re trying to make an ethical argument against something that was put in place because of military necessity and ease of use. And do you really think the US shouldn’t view China as a threat? As long as the Republic of China exists there will always be a chance for confrontation.
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Aha
You have reduced yourself to Indian standards by such illogical and self contridictory thinking. A country which is not recognized by US and you are saying US will to go to war for them. First show the guts to recognize them separately than think about fighting for them.
China is not going to war rather than it is integrating Taiwan economy into itself so those people will stop looking at others for economic dependency.
As far as responsible nation is concerned China is not selling lethal arms to threatening nations otherwise Israel will stop selling US technology to China which we need to confront Taiwan US and French weopons or some other nations. And safety of Israel is very important for US.
France has already declared China its strategic partner in ASIA. And for those nations who want to Fight China they will get drubbing of thier life time.
Haley
This “F” characterization is not a big deal. It shows more respect otherwise China will be considered a lackey nation.
SD-10One advantage of JH-7A is that it is almost 4 to 5 times cheaper than F-2 and can be used for long range saturated attacks with newer Anti-ship missiles provided Flankers provide protection.
SD-10They should first concentrate on Aviation before going to Space.
SD-10According to Janes Israel offered Elta/M-2035 radar and Russia Pearl and RP-35 for J-10. This RP-35 is unknown thing
SD-10Originally posted by WACHENR0DER
I recalled Crobato stating Zhuk-M.UAE F-16 is heavier, but can you say that it’s weapons and avionics system is inferior than the J-10? If so, then prove it because with the information we have on the J-10 it’s all purely educated guess work.
That Zhuk were i think for J-8 some models. For J-10 Even FIAR GRIFO 2000 was offered according Janes. Which can be upgraded to AESA standard.
UAE F-16 are atleast 3 or 4 years away from being operational. And can you prove who will win actual contest if UAE pilot with F-16bLK62 faces Chinese Pilot in J-10 armed with PL-9C and SD-10.
Indigenous TVC engine which is lighter will further improve J-10 Performance.
SD-10Originally posted by WACHENR0DER
I took a look at that J-10 thread you mentioned.. that korean article (if that was the one you were referring to), simply mentions that they state the J-10 is superior to the F-16 and M2K..but doesn’t really explain HOW it is superior..all it mentions is radar range. but doesn’t mention what times of modes it functions in and how wel it handles under the EW suit the F-16 and M2K. And since we’re talking about the F-16 block 60 of UAE, then you have to factor in that it will be using an AESA vs the speculated Zhuk-M that the J-10 will be using.Furthermore as for the SD-10, we have no idea of how well it’s radar will handle against countermeasures employed by these aircraft. Even sino defence http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/sd10.asp
mentions that parts of the SD-10 could be derived from the R-77 such as the seeker.. until then, there’s no winner here since there’s too many missing variables.
J-10 is not using Zhuk. It is using indigenous electronic Phased Array Radar. UAE F-16 are heavier at 9300KG. Not very maneourable.
SD-10Originally posted by Wolverine
funny. unless you are willing to provide us with detailed info on J10 design, you can shove this conclusion up your pie hole.just how does J10 have a better design? can you give us info on its stores and electrical management systems? what MIL-STDs are adopted for them? what about its secondary and primary power systems. its hydraulic systems. can you give a rough idea how unstable te J10 is? J10 seems to have quite a few directional stability features which other modern 4/5th gen fighters lack. how many dedicated buses does it have? what about its EWS? what kind of RWR does it have? SPJ and MAWS (if it has one at all)
quite making such idiotic conclusions. even if J10 is supirior it does not automatically mean it can kill either aircraft. what kind of datalinks are expected on J10? any sensor fusion?so? how does that make it supirior to Aim120C and R77? what makes a missile better is its processing power, flight trajectories, ECCM, HOJ, ability to pull Gs and drag coefficients (speed bleed), ability to seperate target from chaff (processing capabilities) etc.
unless you can provide us with info on such stuff quit making such idiotic conclusions.
I have provided thread of SD-10 with Pictures and Some data. It has programmable ECCM and lofted profile due to bigger motor. There are alteast 4 seekers two from AGAT, One IIR and one AMR-1.
And what is the real world performance of R-77 and AIM-120C against comparable technology Aircraft from which it is fired?
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