SD-10Originally posted by SOC
On a purely “military capability” level, China would be defeated, HN-2000 and new ICBMs or not.
Every person is entitled to his opinions. I gave two year time to the best of my knowledge.
SD-10The only thing common is that both are light Fighters. One is Made in China and the Other is Made in India. No point of comparision.
SD-10Originally posted by SOC
I see, I thought you were speaking on a military capability level. Still not sure I agree with you though, but I’d need to see a whole mess of economic arguments before making a final judgement.
I mean both in Military and Economic terms. New Generation of Cruise missles like HN 2000 and ICBMS will begine to enter operational Service.
SD-10China space programme makes US anxious
JOSHUA EISENMAN
FOR THE STRAITS TIMES
CHINA is aiming to become the world’s next space power. However, in an effort to achieve domestic policy objectives and boost national pride, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is adding a new, unpredictable dimension to a stable and profitable Sino-American relationship.
This month, Chinese astronauts will attempt to orbit the Earth, pushing expectations to heights unseen since the Soviet- American space race of the 1960s. The United States, which has grounded its space shuttle programme and whose citizens are still reeling from the Columbia tragedy, is awaiting the Chinese attempt with unease.
From the Chinese point of view, nationalism and economic growth remain the dual pillars essential for general stability and effective communist rule on the mainland. A space programme, like other large-scale undertakings such as the Three Gorges Dam project and the hosting of the 2008 Olympics, will enhance national pride.
Media control remains a valuable instrument for Beijing’s perpetuation of party-centric nationalism. China’s state-run press skilfully intertwines imagery and syntax, blending support for the party and the nation. It has extensively covered the party’s ambitions to land a man on the moon, and later set up lucrative mining operations on it. Journalists have even mused over trips to Mars and deep space.
To China experts in the US, China’s space programme makes sense.
‘For China, this fulfils its leaders’ long-time aspiration and will have substantial corollary benefits for military and commercial technologies,’ said Mr Derek Mitchell, senior fellow for Asia at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. ‘Putting someone in space will serve as a further source of national pride and symbol of China’s emergence as a major world player. It’s also a way for the communist regime to use nationalism to legitimise its rule, even as its founding ideology becomes less relevant in the lives of its citizens.’
Beijing’s policy objectives may be largely domestic, but some Americans are sceptical of the risky and costly endeavour. In US minds, the establishment of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration was a feature of the Cold War, and linked with a blockade of Cuba and backyard fallout shelters. When the Soviets went to space, Americans saw it as a hostile move.
During the US-Soviet space race, both sides felt compelled to act lest their existence be threatened. Beijing has no such compulsion. China faces no direct threat and no competitor to its growing regional prowess. Instead, the desire is largely introspective, one of asking: ‘Can we conquer this obstacle?’
However, the desire to flaunt Chinese technical expertise and fuel nationalism is not worth upsetting the nation’s most important bilateral relationship. Mr Mitchell is fearful this may be an unintended result.
‘I’m afraid that if China succeeds in its space mission, many Americans may react in the same way they did when the USSR surprised us in the 1950s,’ he said. ‘If a successful mission also stokes Chinese nationalism, it may accentuate US concerns about the future trajectory of China as a proud power and rival to the US.’
Even without assigning any hostile intention to China’s space programme, a senior US government China analyst, who spoke on condition of anonymity, explained that the programme would affect US strategy.
‘China’s ability to launch a man into space will demonstrate a high degree of technical prowess and will confirm a sophisticated missile technology base, with applications for both strategic missiles and space exploration,’ he said.
Fears extend beyond missile technology. Some experts regard China’s secretive manned space programme as part of a larger strategy to vie with the Pentagon in space. The US military relies on satellites for communications and arms targeting. There is also speculation that China is developing satellite-based weapons intended to attack spacecraft and is studying ground-based lasers to blind enemy satellites.
So while a space programme may be a domestic success, the marketing strategy China now has for its programme cannot allay all concerns. China’s leaders are publicising the humanitarian benefits of their space odyssey while downplaying military applications. And although its leaders have done well to refrain from making inflammatory comments, propaganda and soft talk can do little to ease American anxiety.
In real terms, it is not Beijing’s comments that unnerve Americans, but rather its silence. China’s space programme is top secret and military-run, and the nation’s 14 astronauts remain anonymous.
To be sure, there are those who see China’s space programme as an opportunity. One Florida-based newspaper has suggested that a Chinese space mission would be an opportunity to ‘reach out to Beijing and bring the country into international cooperative space ventures’. US law now prohibits such collaborations.
For China, as with all perilous endeavours, the chance of a deadly public failure looms large. By linking national pride and CCP credibility, Beijing is jeopardising both.
China’s leaders would be well served to take American apprehensions into account when determining the type and nature of their space programme’s objectives. Meanwhile, many Americans are caught in a quandary: They do not want to hope for failure, but Chinese success could be even more frightening.
The writer is a fellow at the New America Foundation, a centrist public policy think tank in Washington
SD-10Technology equals or surpasses U.S. capability
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By Jon E. Dougherty
Not only is the Chinese military advancing rapidly in the field of anti-satellite, anti-missile laser weapon technology, but its technology equals or surpasses U.S. laser weapons capabilities currently under development, informed sources have told WorldNetDaily.
According to Mark Stokes, a military author specializing in Chinese weapons development, Beijing’s efforts to harness laser weapons technology began in the 1960s, under a program called Project 640-3, sanctioned by Chairman Mao Tse-tung. The Chinese, he said, renamed the project the “863 Program” in 1979, after a Chinese researcher named Sun Wanlin convinced the Central Military Commission “to maintain the pace and even raise the priority of laser development” in 1979.
Today, Beijing’s effort to develop laser technology encompasses over “10,000 personnel — including 3,000 engineers in 300 scientific research organizations — with nearly 40 percent of China’s laser research and development (R & D) devoted to military applications,” Stokes wrote in an analytical paper provided to WorldNetDaily.
China’s “DEW (Directed Energy Weapons) research (is) part of a larger class of weapons known to the Chinese as ‘new concept weapons’ (xin gainian wuqi), which include high power lasers, high power microwaves, railguns, coil guns, (and) particle beam weapons,” Stokes said. “The two most important organizations involved in R&D of DEW are the China Academy of Sciences and the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (COSTIND).”
To underscore Beijing’s fixation with laser weaponry, the Hong Kong Standard reported Nov. 15 that the Chinese have developed a laser-based anti-missile, anti-satellite system.
“China’s system shoots a laser beam that destroys the [guidance systems] and causes the projectile to fall harmlessly to the ground,” the paper said.
The report also noted that Beijing had “conducted tests of its new technology since August 1999,” and said the system was “similar to the laser defense system technology being developed by the U.S. Air Force.”
Rick Fischer, a congressional Chinese military hardware expert, told WorldNetDaily that recent photographs of Chinese main battle tanks taken during military parades held in celebration of China’s 50th anniversary of Communism in October showed “what was described as a photoelectric device that may have been a ground-based laser equivalent” of the same ASAT system.
Fischer said the U.S. is currently developing a similar weapon, whereby “a ground-based laser would be capable of producing a ‘dazzle'” strong enough to knock an incoming missile off course.”
However, he cautioned, “the Chinese may have beat us to the punch,” though he said attempts to classify the new battle tank equipment as “definitely laser technology” were inconclusive.
As early as 1997, the Army reported successfully test-firing a ground-based laser called MIRCL at an orbiting Air Force MSTI-3 research satellite as it passed over the Army’s White Sands, New Mexico, test facility. According to one published report, “Two bursts from the chemical laser struck a sensor array on the MSTI-3 craft.” The U.S. firms Boeing and TRW are also developing an airborne laser defense system, fitted to a cargo model of the 747 airliner, that would be capable of targeting incoming ICBMs and other medium-range missiles, either destroying them or rendering them incapacitated.
U.S. officials downplayed the results of the Army’s laser tests, saying only that they were “a research experiment, not a step towards a space weapon.”
But since the Hong Kong newspaper account, officials and experts in the United States have begun to re-examine the issue of Chinese military laser technology, which now may be even more advanced than developments first revealed by the Cox Committee.
According to the Cox report, Beijing had already managed to obtain sensitive laser technology enabling them to test miniature nuclear weapons and to assist the Chinese navy in locating hard-to-find U.S. nuclear submarines.
Unclassified documents provided to WorldNetDaily also provide detailed technical information on new Chinese beam director designs for high-powered laser weapons — specifically those designed for eventual “anti-satellite missions,” anti- missile applications and for blinding combatants in the field. Stokes said the Chinese were especially interested in the development of “free electron laser” weapons, “because they have a number of advantages, including their adjustable wavelength and bandwidth and their potential range of 5,000 kilometers.”
According to documents, Li Hui, Director of the Beijing Institute of Remote Sensing Equipment, a developer of optical precision and photoelectronic guidance systems for surface-to-air missiles, “has cited laser technology as the only effective means to counter cruise missiles.”
Hui has “encouraged the acceleration of laser weapons development,” the documents said, while stressing that an “anti- cruise missile laser weapon” already developed by China “utilizes…the most mature high-energy laser technology, the deuterium-fluoride (DF) chemical laser.”
“Li Hui’s statement advocating ground-based laser weapons for use against missiles is not the first by a Chinese weapons developer,” the documents said. “The 1028th Research Institute (RI) of the Ministry of Information Industry, a major Chinese developer of integrated air defense systems, has analyzed the use of lasers in future warfare. Such uses include active jamming of electro-optics, blinding combatants and damaging sensors, causing laser-guided weapons to deviate from their true targets, and target destruction.”
The 1028th’s analysis, the papers said, “concluded with the statement, ‘The appearance of laser weapons will have a significant impact on modern warfare. On today’s electronic battlefield, it is natural for defensive systems to use low- energy laser weapons to damage enemy electronic equipment. When high-energy lasers that can directly destroy tanks, planes and ships develop and mature, they will be formidable offensive weapons.'”
Stokes’ research supports the Cox Committee’s conclusions about Chinese intentions to build a variety of high-tech laser weapons. Though he said “there is no proof or strong indication that development” of such weapons “is in a more advanced stage in China than in the U.S.,” he notes that China’s People’s Liberation Army “is placing greater emphasis on lasers and their potential military applications.”
“The Academy of Military Science, the PLA’s leading think-tank on future warfare,” Stokes said, “believes lasers will be an integral aspect of 21st century war.”
/news/archives.asp?ARCHIVE_ID=16Charles Smith, a WorldNetDaily staff writer and founder of Softwar, wrote Jan. 26 that new Chinese laser systems not only are rapidly advancing, but they incorporate microchip technology obtained through export from the U.S.
“The Clinton administration allowed the export of advanced radiation-hardened microchip technology, vital electronic components for military satellites and nuclear weapons, to Russia and China,” Smith wrote. The technology allowed China to build air-defense laser systems powerful enough to deliver an “estimated…10,000 watts of output power on a target up to 500 miles away.” Smith said the Chinese are preparing to deploy “an even more powerful ground-based laser by the year 2000.”
The Pentagon declined to comment on current Chinese laser weapons development, but most experts who spoke with WorldNetDaily believe the Chinese have obtained advanced laser technology from multiple sources. They also believe Beijing is involved in an ongoing plan to “acquire” new laser weapons technologies either by producing them domestically, buying them or through espionage.
William Triplett II, co-author of the Chinese espionage bestseller, “Year of the Rat,” and a new book detailing Chinese military prowess called “Red Dragon Rising,” said he believed Beijing may have stolen some U.S. ASAT and laser technology, but indicated that in the end that may prove to be a small part of their developmental process.
“Right now the Chinese are in the cat-bird seat,” he said. “They have holes in their capabilities, but they have access to cutting-edge military technology from both Russia and the U.S. What they couldn’t get from us they have bought from Moscow.”
Triplett said that while China’s use of laser technology was “advanced,” Beijing’s ASAT and anti-missile laser weaponry was “not yet equal” to U.S. capabilities.
“The degree to which espionage” was involved with Chinese acquisition of laser technology “is really not clear,” said Fischer. “We can assume with a high degree of certainty that Beijing is seeking Russian laser technology, but they themselves have devoted enormous resources” to the research and development of laser weaponry, he said.
Stokes added, “Chinese analysts see directed energy weapons as important for China’s air defense and counterspace efforts. DEW efforts also reflect a diversification of China’s nuclear weapons industry
SD-10China plans to put own version of Hubble space telescope in place by 2005
BEIJING (AFP) Oct 12, 2003
China, gripped by space fever as it prepares to send its first man into orbit this week, plans to have its own version of NASA’s Hubble space telescope in place by 2005, state media said Sunday.
The project, which was originally hatched by the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences in 1992, is now the focus of two research groups working to meet the timetable, the Beijing Star Daily reported.
The Chinese telescope will be about one meter (three feet) in diameter, weigh two tonnes and have a lifetime of three years, according to the paper.
The report comes as the world’s most populous nation is eagerly waiting to become the third country to put a man into space after Russia and the United States.
The Chinese government has announced that the Shenzhou V manned space vehicle will be launched between October 15 and 17 and orbit the earth 14 times on a 21-hour mission. The landing is scheduled to take place in Inner Mongolia.
The Hubble has provided invaluable information to astronomers since being dropped off in space in April 1990.
The telescope captured the best view of Mars ever obtained from Earth. It also helped gather evidence to support the Big Bang theory and provided the first convincing proof by an optical telescope of the existence of black holes.
The Hubble is scheduled for retirement in 2010, when NASA plans to replace it with a new-generation orbital observatory.
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SD-10Where is GoldenDragon. He advised China people not to respond to India statement. This thread has become a total mess. If India people donot have any thing related to the Topic. Please don’t post on this thread.
SD-10Now China economy is so big that one year growth translate into whole GDP of Taiwan. And missle strength is also increasing at increasing rate. Damage to US in economic and military terms will be too much for defending Taiwan.
SD-10China has good beneficial relationship with US. They buy our products and we buy their Treasuries. Their is no need for China to ruin this relationship. Taiwan will become irrelevant after 2 years when China become economically too strong. Latest Pentagon report was about US not about Taiwan Military. Meaning that after 2005 US will no longer be able to defend Taiwan and after that China will settled all other disputes with third world countries.
SD-10We can expect J-10 exports some time after 2005. There are ten time more China people in Pakistan as compared to Western people. i have known this from a translator working for China petroleum and construction company on Indus Road project in early 90s(fore give me for wrong name). China export policies are secretive and difficult to speculate in advance.
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