$46m per copy seems under statement for MKI.

You have to consider royalty+development+actual construction costs. Also i

think new F-16 engines will hardly needs replacement.

Your entire thread is borked.

F-16 cost includes first class training of pilots at Luke AFB; first class missiles like AMRAAM-C; special US financing terms; plenty of technician training and development of facilities. Then you compare it with MKI flyway unit cost as made in India.

MKK deals include a package of missiles, such as R-77 and various air to ground missiles, like Kh-59ME on earlier deals and the Kh-31A on the last deal. A lot of other extra missiles are obtained seperately.

Yes the complete thread is broked. your link provide is more credible.
http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?p=331042#post331042

About FAS, it has Trishul as an anti ship missile. I rest my case…….. 😀

No. you should not rest your case. i don’t think any body goes to FAS site

looking about india so why bother. That site is great regarding US, NATO

weopons.

I don’t see anyone claiming that is not the case H177. But you are not Chinese, are you?

Simple answer is no. There were too many Indians on FC-1/J-10 type

threads where i chose not to respond because of locking. here i am making

fun.

Complete bibberish.

Why biberish? or Do you really believe that all engines quality is the same.

That will be complete nonsense to compare 1500MTBO hr engine with

6000MTBO hr engine.

Then why don’t you all tell us about it then? Let me guess: because you don’t know, and are just throwing out whatever pops into your head to try and evade responsibility for making your own argument.

So how much time Flanker takes from brake release to Mach 1.5? and

36000feet. I have only figure for EF and that is 2.5minute. Don’t know

about F-16. First was your claim regarding Flanker superiority.

No, *you* made a claim regarding “acceleration” without bothering to back it up. It’s not incumbent on me to prove your claims for you. As for your thinking that the F-16 could possibly be anywhere close to the Flanker in flight performance, I suggest you take some medication for your condition, as I’m not going to bother explaining for the umpteenth time why a heavy fighter beats a lighter fighter, especially an Su-30MKI.

Read and digest. There is no reason for FAS to biased in one way or the other. read the whole story. this will clear all your misconceptions regarding
F-16.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16.htm
USAF was then in the uncomfortable position of having a lightweight fighter design that could outmaneuver and outrange its pride and joy, the F-15 air superiority fighter. In real-world combat conditions, which meant Mach 1.2 or below, the F-16s held a significant edge over the F-15. To some extent this problem was solved by designating the F-16 as a “swing fighter” to do both air-to-air and air-to-ground, while the F-15 was to continue its aristocratic mission of pure air-to-air.[/quote]

Only someone of your calibre could treat that as a mark of distinction.

FAS may not be updated and may not accurate regarding russian aircraft

but still it is good.

I’m getting tired of having to explain uncontroversial facts to you- the F-16C was *designed* with space for an internal jammer, space that the USAF did not use, despite the jammer being available.

US has alot options. It does not mean that put every thing on F-16.

ROFLMAO!!!! The abject stupidity of this quote speaks for itself. Please provide your evidence that “African nations” do not have “evasion training”.

Oh i have to explain now the african conditions.

Describe these variables. See, it’s called “you fight as you train and you train as you fight”, and it’s what gives military forces an edge. Clearly this is lost on you.

And if you do subscribe to this ridiculous idea, then I’m sorry but AIM-9X hasn’t been proven in anything. Sorry.

There is alot of kills to its earlier models. It is like saying that next BMW will

be Volga. When the whole lineup is of higher calibre.

Oh, of course not, after all, he’s just the designer of the SD-10, he’s a paragon of objectivity.

:rolleyes:

Provide any reason why he should be biased?

[QUOTE=Vympel]Nothing to do with wing loading either.[/quoting]
You cannot put every thing on wing loading. They have F-16XL for larger

wing but don’t chose it .

[quote]
What about it?
[quote]
Why acceralation is not important to engage and disengage.

This has what to do with performance in the air?

Oh really? What about the quality of engine. Does it really produce the

intended power according to its specification after some use or wear and

tear is degrading it quickly. I am sure i read about GE engines somewhere

but could not remember now.

You tell me.

You made a claim about Flanker superiority in flight perforomance over

F-16 without backing up. i have something from FAS site. But first you have

to provide something.

The USAF rejected the use of internal jammers intended for it’s F-16Cs, despite there being space in the airframe designed for them. I guess that means they’re crap.

F-16 has only 2sqfeet of extra space while F-15 has 15 sqfeet of space.

So it is obvious.

Tested extensively in the hands of the Luftwaffe vs NATO airforces post reunification of Germany. Attributed with the majority of kills in Ethiopia vs Eritrea conflict. And these are the basic mdoels. By comparison, AIM-9X has no “actual success”. However, I am not facetious enough to pretend that the lack of actual combat kills means something.

African nations do not count. They don’t have the adequate evading

training. Exercises donot mimick reality.In war other vairables are involved.

Well, if the “designer of the SD-10” said it, it *MUST* be true, after all, it’s not like he’s biased or anything …

There is no reason for him to be biased among US, EU and Russia.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

are you saying that every designer in the world is not biased to his product and speaks the absolute truth 😀 🙂 😀

if you truly believe the superiority of the SD-10, post some stats and data instead of claims

I think he was very gracious. he ranked Meteor and AIM-120C above SD-10

but didnot give that honor to MICA, Skyflash, derby and R-77.

And specification does not reveal every thing about the quality.

got the point.