KramerThat again is your assumption…and you know what assumptions make out of people.
its not an assumption. I do know. 😉
KramerOn August 15, 2011 an FT-7 with a female pilot (FO Nida) crashed in Pakistan near Bhakkar, killing a civilian on the ground and both pilots ejecting safely..any more news on that incident? which other jets do female pilots fly?
One civilian was killed and two pilots, including a woman pilot, were injured when a Pakistan Air Force plane crashed Monday, media reports said.
An air force spokesman said the F-7 jet fighter crashed due to some technical problems during a training flight in Hassan Wala town of Punjab province, Xinhua reported.
The two pilots managed to eject before the plane crashed.
Two men on the ground, who happened to be near the crash site, were injured in the incident. One of them died later at a hospital.
KramerSigint makes that impractical.
SIGINT makes it impractical for the IAF to test its own Su-30MKI and MRCA winner against each other at full spec? How do you suppose so?
KramerNot only to him but every indian tax payer.
since you aren’t one, we can take your rhetoric lightly.
KramerAgain your lack of reading comprehension seems to be almost willful. Both articles I quoted provided direct information as to where the information came from. Both were directly quoting Mohan Rao who was the director of GTRE in charge of Kaveri development.
Your latest nugget is even funnier. It quotes a anonymous DRDO official saying that the Kaveri has “almost” achieved 80KN. 1 is almost 2, 4 is almost 5. 65 is almost 80.
Having ample experience with Indian “almosts”, I can tell you that in reality it means nothing close to what you assume it is.
The problems of the Kaveri cannot be solved by incremental increases in thrust because it’s development had hit a technological plateau that cannot be overcome without a complete redesign of the turbine, hence the attempted “collaboration” with Snecma.
In fact, if you had actually read the second one of your own earlier sources regarding the development of the Kaveri, it cites that GTRE had actually approached Snecma for design assistance back in 2001 but was turned down. Instead Snecma counter-offered with a “joint development” program that in essence meant abandoning the Kaveri engine with an M88 variant which GTRE in turn rejected. It has now come full circle 10 years later and GTRE has come crawling back to Snecma with it’s tail between it’s legs.
pardon me for asking but what is your nationality? Just asking since you claim to have ample experience with “Indian almosts” (maybe you could also enlighten us as to how that differs from Western almosts or even Chicom or Pakistani almosts).
KramerThe PKK killed 9 Turkish soldiers a couple of days ago, & two more yesterday. Three others were killed last Saturday, & 13 last month. All of this was inside Turkey. The PKK has done more in the last 6 weeks than in the previous three years.
just out of curiousity- are you suggesting that such a “hot pursuit” policy is acceptable? I’m neutral here, but I am curious to read what a Brit thinks about Iraq’s sovereignty being violated in this manner. IMO, Turkey is merely taking advantage of a weak Iraqi govt. that cannot defend itself and a world opinion that has just too much going on to care about the Kurds.
KramerThat did make me smile…cheers for that..
so it is finance ! I’m glad I made your day. 😉
KramerSo just having access to specialised materials would put GTRE in a position to design and develop an engine near/equal to M-88 / F414 / EJ200 in performance?
It would help resolve the issues that have held the Kaveri back from attaining its design intent thrust. No one said that the Kaveri would become a M-88/F414/Ej200 engine if MIDHANI could develop the alloys that GTRE needs or if single crystal blades were developed in India. A JV wouldn’t in any way mean that GTRE could on its own start developing M-88 type engines overnight. Most JV’s simply assign different areas of responsibility and don’t necessarily mean that two different organisations start collaborating on doing every single task. And a JV wouldn’t mean that Snecma would hand over its IP which would’ve been developed assiduously over decades and after having spent billions of euros on R&D and several thousands of hours of tests.
So, a JV here would most likely mean that GTRE would identify its weak points, and ask Snecma to develop those components AND if so intended in the contract, technology transfer (which would be mostly documentation, CAD drawings, etc.) to allow GTRE to develop these components for a later program. Or, it might mean GTRE developing the component and Snecma providing technical solutions. This isn’t a magic pill that will miraculously give GTRE all the experience and technical abilities that GE/RR/Snecma possess which has been developed over decades and investment that GTRE can only dream of.
KramerSo what exactly are you saying? When you get a bit more experience you will realise I wasn’t being generic at all.
bit more experience hey? 😀 whats your experience anyway? Finance? No offence, but its certainly not in engineering, that much your posts make very clear.
KramerYes..
But this was always going to be the next stage once Americans were allowed to fly drones and kill Pakistanis in Pakistan.
they had little choice there- the Americans had threatened to bomb them to the stone age if they didn’t cooperate with them.
KramerGTRE would be very stupid/arrogant if it did not take advantage and learn about how to manufacture and design jet engines from a company that has significantly more years of experience.
you’re being generic, once again.
GTRE knows how to build an engine- and also how to design one. After all their prototypes have been tested on the ground for several thousand hours. Curse them as much as you will but they are not wizards, and if India seriously wanted them to develop a world-class turbofan then it needed billions of $ in investment in high-tech R&D and testing facilities. Not piece meal funding that only miracle workers like yourself can produce results with. They did what they could with the funding they had, and now India at least has an engine that is flying on a test-bed and a base level from which to build on.
To gauge what kind of expenditure companies have to make to build a turbofan these days, go and check up the timelines and the budget of Snecma on the M-88 program. That despite having decades of turbofan experience.
The Kaveri K9 has been flying on the IL-76 test bed, which wouldn’t have been possible had it not met quality and reliability parameters during ground testing. The issue has been (and acknowledged by GTRE) to be due to weight, which is in part due to lack of certain higher end metallurgical know-how. THAT is what they will be looking to gain most. Your patronising comments about “earn about how to manufacture and design jet engines from a company that has significantly more years of experience” makes it look like they’ve done zilch so far. Which is very far from the truth, even by your standards.
The issue as it stands right now is that the original thrust requirement of 81 kN doesn’t any more meet the Tejas’ requirements (a recent GTRE official’s statement said that they’d successfully reached 80 kN thrust), which means that it has reached a dead-end operationally speaking. In most engineering projects, it is the last 5-10% of performance that ends up being very difficult to achieve and that is being seen here as well.
But keeping in mind that the AMCA’s engine needs to be viable technologically for thrust upgrades for a much longer time, the aim will now be to change the architecture of the engine as required for two things. First to reach the new thrust requirement (90kN+) while being as light as possible and secondly to have it be reliable and have growth potential.
Kramersuperb picture of the MiG-29UPG. it still looks beautiful even with the dorsal tank.
Kramerkramer, is there a necessity that we have to pay in USD ? if euro has not appreciated wrt INR as much as it has wrt the USD, it should be possible to pay in euro, right ?
its the fact that the French have their entire supply chain for the Mirage-2000 in Euros that is causing this 30-40% difference. So whether India pays in USD or Euros, there is no difference- the price will be the same. Pay in USD and you pay $ 2.4 billion and pay in Euros and you pay Euro 1.69 billion.
The current Rupee to Euro exchange rate is 63.5, whereas the Rupee to USD exchange rate is 44.6.
So for India, if a certain part on the Mirage-2000-5 costs say 10,000 Euros (or $14229), it will cost India Rs 6,35,000. Now if a US supplier would be selling the same part for 10,000 USD (already cheaper), then it will cost India only 4,46,000. See the difference? For Dassault to be able to make it the same price as the US supplied part, they would need to slash their costs by nearly 3000 Euros! And that can hardly be done considering that their entire own entire supply chain is sourced from within France or EU, where Euros are used. Hardly the same case for either the Russians or the Americans who pay their salaries and other costs in Rubles and USD respectively
This factor is going to make the MRCA costs also seem astronomical. Just wait a few months and you’ll hear collective gasps as the Typhoon and Rafale prices are revealed.
Kramer^ never thought it’d be easy or cheap but still, considering the arm/leg plus time being charged, you’d think they’d include photon torpedoes with the deal.
But no, they’ll just have to settle for an RC 400 based deal, super. Pricey french i guess 😀
USS.
why do you keep ignoring the fact that the Euro to USD exchange rate works against the French and for the US suppliers?
For the same item that is sourced entirely from European suppliers instead of US suppliers, the 40% cheaper USD means that it’s costlier for the EU supplier.
Had the Euro and USD been at similar exchange rates, the deal would’ve been almost 35-40% cheaper. Its not as if the profit markup is much higher for the French as compared to American OEMs or suppliers.
KramerMiG-35 was rejected due to Zhuk-MAE radar not showing the intended range performance and also due to RD-33 engine having technical issues
DATE:04/08/11
SOURCE:Flight International
Engines and radar to blame for MiG-35 failure in MMRCA contest
By Vladimir KarnozovRadar and engine performance shortcomings were to blame for the MiG-35 failing to make the shortlist in India’s medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contest.
The revelations are contained in feedback from India to Russia’s arms export agency, Rosboronexport.
The MiG-35’s radar, the Zhuk-MAE active electronically scanned array (AESA), from Russia’s Phazotron, failed to achieve the required acquisition and tracking ranges. And its Klimov RD-33MK engines also fell short of the Indian performance criteria.Speaking to the media on 3 August, Vladimir Barkovsky, chief of MiG’s engineering centre, said: “The Klimov and Chernyshev [engine companies] briefed [India] at length about their capabilities and intentions to improve their offering, but unfortunately their arguments were not taken into account.”
Despite this, the same RD-33MK met Indian navy requirements and powers the newly-built MiG-29K/KUB fighters being delivered to the service.
Barkovsky also defended the Zhuk-MAE AESA radar, pointing out that the prototype nature of the model fitted to the MiG-35 meant that it did not meet the tender specifications, particularly regarding range.He said: “We told the tender committee that this particular unit is experimental, and that in future we will make a larger radar antenna [capable of being used at a longer range].”
Barkovsky pointed out that the Eurofighter Typhoon is yet to be fitted with a working AESA radar.
“While the Russians demonstrated their radar fitted to the real fighter and working, [Eurofighter] demonstrated their radar on a helicopter,” he said.
“The positive outcome of the Indian tender is that we made a huge effort on the radar development and demonstrated what nobody expected of us, and thus surprised many, including some in our home country.” Barkovsky added.
The company will continue the MiG-35 project, he said, and look for other export customers.
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