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  • in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388174
    Kramer
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    Its implausable as we have no documented evidence of collaboration between Romania and China in respect of the IAR-95 or Super-7. On the other hand we do have documented evidence of the work done by Grumman with Chengdu prior to the cancellation of support by the USA after Tianamen square.

    In the end the IAR-95 looks a bit like the Super-7, nothing particularly unusual by that its happened before and it will happen again.

    is there any documented evidence of Israeli transfer of design and data on the Lavi to the Chinese ? It has all been speculative mostly and yet it is fairly widely accepted that the J-10 is based on the Lavi with modifications made as the design progressed.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388259
    Kramer
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    ??

    Every knows Tejas will have BVR capability.

    Some people, I need to go and look at old threads, kept on saying JF 17 is not BVR capable despite Radar Brochure and other evidence. One example the critics would cite is the lack of dummy SD-10s on airframe only IR missile on wing tips or dumb bombs were usually seen on stationary aircraft.

    I think you’re misunderstanding..the JF-17 may not AS YET have the SD-10 integrated and tested out and hence cannot fire BVR missiles. But no one will deny that it won’t have any BVR capability in the future either.

    The Tejas is not BVR capable AS YET, unless they use an R-73 in a BVR shot. But it will EVENTUALLY have BVR capability with the Astra as well as Derby.

    Herein lies the difference between what capability is already present and what is yet to be integrated and tested. If you have proof that the SD-10 has been test fired from the JF-17, then show it. Till then there is no evidence other than mockups next to static aircraft to indicate BVR capability.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388264
    Kramer
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    This subject has been debated a million times already on this forum, don’t know why you need to go through all this speculation again;

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47954

    Yeh, you’re right, it bears some resemblance to the IAR-95, does that mean there’s any association, real answer is who knows? But using your own logic, the LCA has a striking similarity to the M2K, does that mean it’s a downsized M2K….erm, ok, bad example given the level of ‘consultancy’ provided by Dassault :dev2:

    debated a million times on this forum ? Show me a few of those threads please. I googled and found just 1.

    And no Indian will take offence if someone says that Dassault’s initial consultancy as well as BAe’s P.106 designs had a hand in the LCA’s layout. In the days of its original design, India didn’t even have many wind tunnels to test out models in and it was a costly exercise to build models and schedule time at wind tunnels in France (ONERA) or other European countries. Help would’ve been taken gladly.

    So why would it be so implausible that Romania shared the IAR-95’s designs with China or at least in some way influenced it ? They were both communist nations back then and several reports talk about MiG-33 designs having been sold to China as well. I can see that even suggesting that the FC-1’s strong resemblance to the IAR-95 may have had some more basis than just coincidence is pricking a lot of people.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388276
    Kramer
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    Utter rubbish.

    It’s perfectly well documented that the Super-7 design was a cooperation between Grumman and Chengdu. The contract was signed in 1986 with a value of US$ 550 million, and was cacelled in 1990 after the Tienanmen incident. Romania had nothing to do with the FC-1, no matter how much nonsense you wish to fabricate around it.

    whats with your tone ? Just because you’re a moderator here you can talk any which way you like ? just read your own signature.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388311
    Kramer
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    Mock Missle labelled SD-10A on 7th picture by Rookh, Its lying of grass beside aircraft.

    It confirms what I have been saying all along the this plane has BVR capability. OK its not 100% confirmation because it is just a mock up, but I dont think any company would advertise SD 10A capability, if it was not true.

    I bet someone will still cling to idea that KLJ 7 rardar cannot fire BVR missiles despite seeing Radar brochure and this.:rolleyes:

    so since there are umpteen Tejas LCA models with the Astra BVR missile, that is proof that the Astra is also integrated and the Tejas already has BVR capability..:diablo:

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388324
    Kramer
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    Just because some drawings of IAR-95 have some similarity with the JF-17 pictures does not mean that both projects have anything to do with each other.

    IAR-95 was bigger heavier and was to have more powerful power plant

    As anyone can see that there is nothing common in these two aircrafts

    IAR-95 Specifications

    Length: 16 m

    Wingspan: 9.3 m

    Height: 5.45 m

    Wing area: 27.9 m²

    Empty weight: 7,880 kg

    Max takeoff weight: 15,200 kg

    Powerplant: 1× Tumansky R-29-300 with afterburner
    Dry thrust: 81.4 kN
    Thrust with afterburner: 122kN

    Hardpoints: 9 in total (6× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 3200 kg

    JF-17 Specifications

    Length: 14.0 m

    Wingspan: 9.45 m

    Height: 4.77 m

    Wing area: 24.4 m²

    Empty weight: 6,411 kg

    Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg

    Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan
    Dry thrust: 49.4 kN
    Thrust with afterburner: 84.4 kN

    Hardpoints: 7 in total (4× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 3,629 kg

    the differences are not as huge you may want to believe. the FC-1 has been sized as per the only available turbofan other than the AL-31, most likely to keep it affordable and within the Mirage-III/V, J-7 replacement category. That is the way it works mostly and the IAR-95 was eventually dropped for want of a proper engine to design it around.

    The essential layout is nearly the same and the IAR-95’s wind tunnel model shows similar LERX layout as well. The wing planform, the general fuselage shaping and the positioning of the intakes are all almost completely similar. Obviously since the IAR-95 never went past being a concept it has less definition than the FC-1, but it certainly does give a good possible idea of where the first Super-7 design came from, which after a couple of decades evolved into the FC-1.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2389150
    Kramer
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    one more image

    http://www.straero.ro/templates/images/iar95.jpg

    did China get the blueprints for this design in the early 1980s after it was cancelled by Romania ?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2389152
    Kramer
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    sorry the first scan didn’t load.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2389164
    Kramer
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    seeing these pics of the JF-17, the JF-17’s similarities with the IAR-95 design of the 1970s is quite striking..with the exception of the DSI intakes the layout of the wings, fuselage, nose are all very similar, and even the LERXes that were added on later. Its almost like a copy of that design..

    http://img134.imageshack.us/f/scan0001cu.jpg

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2389677
    Kramer
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    none of these seem to be the Block 52s..are they the MLU’ed F-16s ?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2390592
    Kramer
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    Just read on some Pakistani website that their contingent commander has confirmed that the JF-17 will not be flying..something certainly happened due to which they cancelled the flying displays. Pakistani HC was wrong after all..:rolleyes:

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2390636
    Kramer
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    Kramer, dont tell me you bought into Abhi’s certification talk. We all know that even demo machines have flown in such airshows. And unless im mistaken they only require air worthiness certification. This machine is allowed to fly over british landscape, cities etc. What does that say? So let Abhi believe in what he wishes.

    Vikas, I just want to know if it will fly or not. If it flies, well and good, it will be as per the Pakistani High Commissioner, if not, its going to lead to some speculation as to why they didn’t fly.

    Kramer
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    it depend on Korea… but just look at how long india need to finish their project such as LCA and their Arjun tanks, and how fast Korea creating the T-50,, Korea would be very-very hesitated to cooperate with India. Both have too different pace of work when come to military stuff.

    the only reason KAI managed to finish things on the T-50 was because LM hand-held them on it all the way from start to finish. I know guys who worked on the T-50..a very large portion of engineering work was done by LM engineers and independent contractors. But, to KAI’s credit, they’ve picked up very fast. But had they only recieved a little bit of outside help, there was no way they’d have finished the T-50 anywhere near on time..

    its no coincidence that the T-50 is so similar in layout to the F-16..heck, KAI even used the exact same OML and blade design as the Cougar on the Surion.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2390736
    Kramer
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    well we’ll just have to wait and see if he’s right or wrong, isn’t it ? the Pak High Commissioner has stated that it will fly, so if it doesn’t what does that indicate ? Just how “clever” the High Commissioner is ?

    in reply to: Naval LCA unveiled #2390741
    Kramer
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    Designed by designers where it was not their first foray into fast jet design?

    but first of all let him prove that the LCA is 800 kgs heavier. the Gripen C/D is nearly 6600 kgs empty..how is that 800 kgs lighter than the Tejas Mk1 as is where the empty weight figure is around 6500 kgs ?

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