‘New Roles for Submarines’ in the October 2004 issue of Miltech says
“According to US sources, a SEAWOLF at 25 knots is quieter than a LOS
ANGELES-class boat pierside.”Is this believable???
Cheers,
Sunho
Well that was pretty much the goal for the program. At $US2billion a pop I hope they got it 🙂
Daniel
From Maxpain link posted above m what does the highlighted statement in the quote means
I guess hydroacoustical radar is sonar and the statement indicates that at speeds up to 25kts the submarine as much noise as if at rest.
Daniel
There are only 2 Ka27 on the photo, that’s normal complement of Udaloy class destroyer, which also participated in the exercise. Why should they be Chinese?
LOL. The same reason for a lot of stuff, because people want it to be so 😀
Daniel
Don’t know that we can really say if the PLAN has any TAS in service. We should be able to spot winch gear etc for VDS but that won’t necessarily tell us if there is a TAS attached to the equipment. Of course given the threat that the US sub force presents to any PLAN surface force it would be perfectly reasonable to expect they are working on this capability.
Daniel
Here is a Government report on the problems with the class from 1999.
http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/1999/collins.html
While this report from last year discusses the $A857million upgrade/rectification program
that’s the difference between india and china.
india talks, talks big….and usually not much gets done.
china just works hard in steps to achieve goals. they just do it.
Ah yes so China is just so much more worthy than India. Its got nothing to do with the Chinese leadership having the luxury of not having to convince the electorate to give them their jobs again every few years or having to deal with the media doing exposes on this failed project or that kickbacks scandal. This is painfully childish. Could we forget the aimless point scoring and direct discussions into areas other than those that allow respective nationalists to get their rocks off. Some members were already trying to stop things and salvage something from this thread that was admitedly doomed as soon as the first poster cut loose on his keyboard. But no you just had dip back in for the last word.
Daniel
The A-5 was considered along with the TSR-2 and the F-111 for the RAAF in the late 1960s. It was the aircraft actually recomended by the RAAF investigation team due to its proven capabilities and immediate availabilty. The F-111 was chosen instead however since it was percieved to be the better long term choice. One of those rather rare examples where the politicans made the right choice when overriding the military’s requests 🙂
Still the Vigie was a beautiful aircraft. I personally think China’s JH-7/JH-7A bears an interesting resemblance to it and would love to see that plane given a stretch and some further upgrades to become the PLAAF’s new bomber 🙂
Daniel
India isnt begging to anyone for anything. We are giving top dollar & getting the stuff. Update urself on that.
I too agree with u that getting JSF is much better for IAF & IN than either of F18 or F16.
Well since the JSF is more than ten years away from possible Indian service then it might not be a bad idea to spend a (comparatively) small amount of some -16s or -18s now and then see how the issues of supply and maintenance work out over the coming decade. Personally I think a buy of a US aircraft is worth it just to get the systems and weapons. India will be in the enviable positionof being able to truly select the best weapon/system for the job from virtually the entire worlds weapons catalouge 🙂
Daniel
The TOR-M1 might not be too great for destroying high flying bombers, but does the US really use those in Iraq? No.
Lots of Apaches, A-10s, F-18s, and what not. Spare the TORs for later (aka, after the initial bombardment by not exposing them), and see what happens to the US aircraft.
SOP for US aircraft these days is JDAMs and LGBs from 20k+. One needs a valid high altitude system and/or robust fighter force to force them lower.
Daniel
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=30854
Didn’t look real close but it certainly seems lacking in the defensive armament category. Then again it’s suppose to have 25% more power (Would bump it to something like 325,000 – 350,000shp) and much higher electrical power so maybe they’re planning on fitting it with solidstate laser CIWS.
Seems to have a similar mix of Sea Sparrow, Phalanx and RAM that is fitted to current models. Besides since when is 2-3 DDGs and CG considered a lack of defensive armament. 😉
Daniel
I’d be astonished if the US got anymore dedicated antiship missiles. They’ll modify some of what they currently have to be able to hit ships too but I don’t think we’ll see something with ship attack designed in from the beginning until they get something like HyFly and the like in service.
Well I think its more a case of giving the missiles a limited abilty to attack a moving target through the use of GPS and a terminal sensor similar in concept at least to that being tested to give JDAM the same capability. So theoretically the system could be used against a ship. Like I said though this is all of the top of my head and is therefore quite possibly full of holes 🙂
Daniel
Dual Use?
I have memories of hearing/reading they could be used in the ASM role as well as standard land attack. Having problems finding anything to back that up though 🙂
Daniel
TASM was witdrawn in the early 1990s and the missiles remanufactured to TLAM. The TACTOM variant is supposed to gain a measure of dual use.
Daniel
You still do not grasp it. It is not hard to understand really. During take-off you have select full-power on a STOBAR. There is a given length to reach a given speed related to weight and air conditions. To simulate such take-offs in ‘Saki’ for example or everywhere, you can add runway length to compensate for missing wind over “deck” or stick to zero wind conditions.
Every pilot can select full power, but very few pilots can land back on a moving carrier.
Add to that the fact that the IN will still be operating the Viraat with Harriers in STO mode on the ski jump.
Something I’ve always wondered is you see ships under construction with rust all over them and ships at sea that have rust on them. Why would you want to make ships out of an alloy that is going to corrode (weaken and ultimately fail)? Obviously a stainless steel CVN is going to cost more than a few bucks but is the rust you see on ships pretty much trivial as far as structural concerns go?
Yes, with proper maintenance a bit of surface rust is pretty trivial. Added to that most of your standard “stainless” products have a tough time in the marine environment. Those that don’t cost even more, not just in basic accquisition costs buts also in penalties to do with issues of workability, welding etc. This is definitely IIRC stuff since its more than ten years since I my materials science subjects at uni and I don’t work in the engineering field 🙂
Daniel