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January 19, 2009 at 11:22 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2486728

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Yes it does although obviously some more loaded aircraft have more natural tendencies to resist gust wind.

For your info 750 kt is the limit for Rafale, i forgot for the Mirage but it might not be too far off this, one thing though, the 2000 was designed as an high-altitude/high-speed interceptor not a strike aircraft.

Is 750kt max clean speed at low level?, I would assume its with a load. The fact that the Mirage 2000 was able to adapt to the low level/ground strike role shows what a brilliant plane it is, Dassault’s finest so far in my opinion 😀

January 19, 2009 at 11:12 pm in reply to: Predict the winners! #2486733

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………..and I suppose you are not bias towards the Typhoon. 😉

Hint maybe the name gives it away!:p

Its the aircraft I find the most interesting, yet it does not mean I talk baised rubbish.

January 19, 2009 at 8:30 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2487022

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Wing loading is at the Rafale slightly higher, aspect ratio 2.55.;)

might be within the Rafale’s low level FCS then :confused:

January 19, 2009 at 8:28 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2487026

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Gust wind prediction, FBS FCS allows for a faster response time from control surfaces; the sensors in front of the aircraft can actualy detect gust wind.

Works wonder with the BIG B1Bs…

yep I understand that, but does it work perfectly for large area wings, such as Mirage 2000, from min—to–max loaded weight at low level, or does the wing loading also add, though small, a factor to low level ride?

January 19, 2009 at 8:13 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2487078

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This is no longer an issue since the event of FCS FBW (See Mirage 2000s).

So the FBS compensates for all the negative low level ride effects caused when very low wing loadings are used? So there is no difference between max/min loads at low level? I know the Tornado IDS did not suffer from this but that design was something special.

January 19, 2009 at 7:58 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2487103

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Why?
First need we for low level stike a low aspect ratio, this big Typhoon wing have a very low aspect ratio of 2.4.
Lower dCl/d_alpha. I see no buffeting problem.
The aspect ratio is lower as a F-16E (3.20), F-15E (3.5) and lower as a Tornado (2.77).

Quite right, although there has been comparisons claiming the Rafale has better low level ride. But it also depends on mission wing loading doesnt it?

January 19, 2009 at 7:52 pm in reply to: Predict the winners! #2487107

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The UK very much would like to cancel the last batch.Time will tell………..;)

They have expressed it as a possiblity, not due to performance issues, but cost related! Lets tell the truth shall we for once so other, less informed, readers do not just read biased information sprouted from some F-35 king BS’er!

oh and,

…………IMHO

January 18, 2009 at 1:15 am in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VI #2489778

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MFI flew a grand total of two flights.

yes..it did, but it did provide useful experience in 4+ generation design which was what I was getting at, the S-37 alot more so. Russia isnt making a jump staight from advanced su-xx’s to the PAK-FA.

January 17, 2009 at 9:10 pm in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VI #2490105

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Clearly, the lack of funding and little experience in Stealth Designs. Is going to make the PAK-FA an extreme challenge. Which, is why I would like to see India team with a American or European Aerospace Company on its forthcoming MCA. Remember, always cover your A$$!:cool:

Alot of this work was done with the technology demonstrators, MFI and S-37

January 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2490254

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P&W has been flying 3D TVC nozzles for years on the ACTIVE F-15 so there’s no reason they couldn’t develope one for the F135 and GE has been flying 3D TVC on the F-16 VISTA/MATV so there’s no reason they couldn’t develope one for the F136. The question thought would be “why?”

Lol thats why I didnt mention the F-16/15 😉 Why exactly is the question I am asking! But maybe as a sales pitch…catchphrases such as “TVC fighter” has worked resonably well for the Russians.

Developing the F-136 engine into TVC sure would be a very interesting prospect, very complex. The point I was making is that Eurofighter have already developed it, already tested it, its done, but could be intergrated. BUT no one wants it as of yet 😀

January 17, 2009 at 7:53 pm in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VI #2490283

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Very much easier said than done. Especially when you’ve never built a stealth aircraft. 😉 If it was so easy everybody would just build their own instead of buying F-35s.

Lol its probably the hardest thing to do in the future, unless its the F-35 programme that deals its own fate.

January 17, 2009 at 7:46 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2490317

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True Eurojet has shown a TVS demonstrator in Spain and tested it. The partner nations just did not order this option and so it was not integrated.

The extra cost was not justified I believe, the EF already had the desired performance for what the Partner airforces wanted but the option is still always there at least unlike gripen/rafale/F-35/F-18E/F

January 17, 2009 at 7:41 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2490341

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As a matter of FACT BOTH X-31 (TVC) and Typhoon are limited in Max AoA to 70* for the SAME reasons of lack of pitch control (one of Long-moment harm arrangement drawback creeping out).

In ther other hand, Gripen demonstrated 90* AoA and Rafale passed 100* AoA and 40 kt negative speed a full COBRA maneuvre without TVC.

Problem is there is no point being able to go to such AOA’s, it would never be a good situation to be in and any fighter with HOBS missile/HMS would love a target like that…

you might as well go all out with TVC if you were to go down the high AOA/low speed controlability route, and get shot down in style whilst backflipping away..

January 17, 2009 at 2:24 pm in reply to: Eurofighter vs Mitsubishi F-2 #2490800

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Model of original FS-X. Its development was blocked by the U.S. government. It would have easily outperformed the F-16.

looks quite similar to the rafale

January 17, 2009 at 2:19 pm in reply to: Is the Typhoon a waste of time? #2490821

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:rolleyes: Being quite a ridiculous thread I do not think many people who know about the typhoon will bother wasting their time to tell you why it, infact is not a waste of time.:rolleyes:

Just look who it is in service with and its potential customers. I don’t think they all can be wrong.
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