Wouldn’t the more important numbers be how long do they take to get to 10000m though?

Seriously, yes. I was just merely pointing it out for interest. From my own experiences I have not really seen any jet perform as good as the typhoon in the vertical, the F-22 was not bad at all, just didnt seem to have the “quickness/speed” associated with the typhoon.

I believe all the climb figures are quoted with 4 amraam and 2 sraam’s.

typhoon1,

I have no doubt about the feasibility of increasing the EJ2000 power. And a typhoon with so much trust would be awsome. The question is : will the four nations commit to such a power increase ? Knowing the slow developement process of the typhoon I think the chances are that this upgrade has unfortunately a strong probability to remain a “potential developement”. They are many things to fund before this engine upgrade… The ECO is available or nearly available and is funded by the french authorities which make the difference for the moment. The next rafale batch should have the M88 eco as well as the AESA and other hardware improvements.

More seriously aircrafts such as the typhoon or the rafale are already powerfull enough for what they have been design for…lower MCO is smarter I think. But for aviation enthusiasts like we are a power increase would be more “demonstrative”.

Rafale certainly looks more promicing for the increase of power, definitely. As you said, its way down on the “to do” list for the typhoon unfortunately, as it needs the increase even less then the Rafale really. If the EJ200 was massively upgraded, to produce figures around 25~26 Klb they might as well stick the TVC on, that would be really impressive!:D

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Assuming the engagement has just got WVR (6 miles at least), how would TVC give an advantage whatsoever against HMS, HOBS missles and an airframe capable of F-16 like performance? Simply it won’t.;)

But the idea of a rafale with 2*9t of thrust is quite thrilling and more appealing from a forumer standpoint. . It will boost its performance in that field against the typhoon which is regarded as mostly an air superiority fighter.

But I agree that the reduction of ownership costs is a more sensible idea.

Hazard a guess at the TWR it may achieve? But then Eurojet could just boost the EJ200 if the Rafale starts to show superior characteristics, I have seen figures quoted as high as 26,000lb’s for EJ200’s!

I think it will be likely over the years the engine power will be increased more for export customers, increasing competitors etc….as what happened with the F-16/15/Tornado/Migs/sukhois etc…

Or at least a special number of Rafale M/C/B’s making them slightly better AtA performer, but undermining the claim the French Airforce wants them all at the same standard.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f8hZqWeAhxQ

this is a 8s vertical take off

Pretty sure it was 11 secs, just before the reheats kick in!

Vertical takeoff, but no vertical climb, just a slow, high AoA roll to level out and accelerate.

Looks like Singaporeans were really blown away by this climb.. 😎 Maybe that is why an F-15SG rolled out fresh from a factory few days ago.. 😎

Good one….:rolleyes:

I’m not sure about Rafales, but I’ve seen F-15s do verticle climbs on numerous occasions. What was special about this climb?

Personally I have never seen an Eagle go properly vertical after an 8 second take off run, and I have seen them many times, maybe a shap climb (70 deg+), but not the definition of the term.

I was just pointing out, a climb like this, was demonstrated in Singapore to avoid civil air traffic as Singapore’s airspace is extremely tight. The F-15 and the Rafale both did not demonstrate this and had to follow a longer, more complex route to reach the same point in the airspace as the typhoon.;)