Tell that the EVERY public source available, including EADS & ALL the Typhoon sites…

EVERY SINGLE ONE SAYS THE THREAT SIMULATED WAS THE Su-27M (or as it was later renamed Su-35).

My “favourite” aircraft did MUCH better than the Typhoon. :p

Which is understandable given the reality that the Typhoon is just a bit better than previous 4th generation fighters but STILL a 4th generation fighter while the 5th generation F-22 is in a league all its own.

It realy is sad. Because the Typhoon REALLY is a wonderful fighter that would be MUCH better served by being portrayed realistically as opposed to being so over-hyped as it so often is.

Ask yourself this question. Why wouldn’t they use an exaggerated flanker design in JOUST? What is the point of comparing a future design to a, at that time, basically flying su-27?

The Ignorance to assume Eurofighter and all the companies involved, let alone the nations it is was designed to protect in war, chose a less capable flanker variant in JOUST to make the typhoon seem better to validate its performance against; is a joke. TBH I think its a bit of an insult really to exclaim such a point.

And calling the plane a bit better than the 4th generation fighters truly shows you are a joke when it comes to the knowledge of the plane.

Times like these when I want the typhoon to validate its performance in real life and demonstrate what it can do.

Sure as it is a fine machine. I personally would, too, rate it above any Su-30 variant currently fielded but it’s not that my opinion really matters here.

I think the best results so far would be those from exercises involving Typhoons and Indian Su-30MKIs but everyone seems to stay quiet about how it went and about what ROE were used.

I seem to remember at least one Gripen credited with a confirmed Typhoon exercise kill, its pilot was very proud on this achievement.

Yes the Su-30 exersise would be very interesting if we knew hard results.

Yep think the gripen kill was WVR aswell which is very good really. Although it could resemble the type of WVR kill that the F-22 experienced with an F-16, ie it had shot another two down first.

Are you following the discussion??

Here is the original topic for the thread

Is Typhoon success in this criteria?

Who is the customer here? Pilot or the decision makers?

What would you expect Pilot operating Typhoon to say otherwise?

Sorry pal :rolleyes:, go read your orginal comment saying the customers were not happy, thats what I was replying to, possible future sales is a different matter and it is a 10/10 economics issue.

The Typhoon customer happy, you say??

That is news to me, all we hear is how they can dump their previous lot and how thay can cut their loss by ordering less.

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Yes all the nations airforces cannot express how pleased they are with the typhoon. If you ever get the chance go speak to an RAF pilot about the plane and you will find out what they think 😉

Rafale’s supercruise performance has been debated at length on this forum as well as others. The fact that you didn’t even bother to look up Rafale’s performance before making your claims doesn’t exactly add to the credibility of your statements.

IIRC, Dassault & Rafale pilots have publicly stated that Rafale can supercruise:
– At Mach 1.2 (exact configuration unclear)
– With one belly 1,250 tank and 4 Mica (standard A2A configuration)

IIRC, a French forumer on this forum talked to someone at Dassault, who confirmed that these two statements were one & the same, i.e. that the Mach 1.2 figure referred to the standard configuration including belly tank. A supercruise figure of Mach 1.4 with upgraded engines and 6 AAMs has also been thrown around.

So that’s why I don’t believe your claims about the Gripen supercruising better than the Rafale.

Problem is can the rafale do it all the time? Think of Singapore, as can the conditions in Brazil be similar?

Not at all. Another useless fighter aircraft type is the last thing this world needs. We all know how the small nation’s fighter projects end(ed).

But looks like you found one 😉 I am happy for you.. 😎

Wow your a fool, I’m off tooo

First MIG-25 and F-15 are not of same generation. F-15 is a decade later design. where BVR is not alone criteria. J-10 and EF are of the same generation and time frame. Second J-10 has extensive external help in early 90s.

Sukhoi has been attending nearly every airshow in past two decades now. They exactly know where EF/Gripen/Rafale lies. They dont even consider it MIG-35 competitors. so it takes alot to challenge Sukhoi statements.

ah, Star, to discuss with you is always fun 🙂

I was saying because a pair of fighters look similar, does not mean in any way they have similar performance, as you claimed the J-10 a perfect aerodynamic copy of the EF.

In no way am I challanging sukhoi’s statements, although at times they do make you think seriously about them. Remember when sukhoi was exclaiming mig-31 and su-35 were comparable to only the F-22 and PAK-FA.

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I hope you following the SU-35 development and its capability. Do you honestly believe Typhoon would be capable of same kind of improvement in its life time?
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why not? Bar the fact its already got most of them. The su-35 has got new radar, engines, cockpit, small airframe changes and others, why couldn’t the typhoon do the same but with more advanced systems?

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Seriously, what kind of comparison do you want?? How do you judge the manuverability, if not by its performance on dispaly??
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Use viable evidence about the true performance from many sources, though alot is classified or just closed to the public. Air displays can give a general impression yes, I agree, but no hard lines facts can be taken away from them.

or you believe in British simulation which claimed 10-1 ratio for Typhoon!!

Discussed endlessly in other threads……