Fanboys at their best.. 😎

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Sorry, 5th Generation fighters like the F-22 and F-35 will be able to carry there stores internally. Your Typhoon will have to carry external tanks and Weapons. So, how fast can your Typhoon Super Cruise with 6- AAM’s and three external fuel tanks? How about its instantaneous turn rate? How about acceleration? Of course that doesn’t even include the huge RCS presented when so equipped! One last note even clean how long can the Typhoon operate at Super Cruise? Clearly, in carries far less internal fuel that either of the LM 5th Generation Fighters.

Really, 5th Generation Fighters like the F-22, F-35, PAK-FA, etc. etc. are the next evolution in Fighter AIrcraft. Just like the Me-262 compared to the prop driven fighters of WWII…..:D

Don’t really see the point of your post, How about I right a random list of things the F-22 and F-35 carnt do:p

True they are the next generation, although their boundaries hugely overlap, regarding your questions;

Six AAM and a tank gives mach 1.3 max, I dont know max with 3 tanks but a typhoon in QRA fit of 3 tanks, 4 araams, 4 asraams can supercruise.:cool:

Instantaneous turn rate speaks for itself, as for general agility of the plane, i.e being fantastic. In case you do not beileve this; watch the farnborough airshow demo of a typhoon loaded with 6x1000lb bombs with the rest of the QRA fit, and still show itself to be immensely agile. Or you can talk to an actual RAF typhoon pilot and ask him yourself :).

Acceleration, I dont think any competitive fighter for the typhoon out accelerates the plane (bar F-22 in some areas), I’ll find the evidence if you wish.

True about RS, its not fully stealthy as it wasnt designed to be, but its the next best aircraft in RCS to the F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters. Im sure many will dispute.

Fuel; It doesnt matter how much the plane carries, its how efficiently it uses it:rolleyes:

For example, when supercrusing at 40k ft, a typhoon, armed with a decent load (forget what it is know) it uses twice as much fuel as taxing in Idle power on the runway, or there abouts. I’ll post the evidence if you want, words spoken from an Raf pilot in their recent deployment to the US.

Its time people start understanding how good a plane it is………

Ok here I have a problem with this “first day of war plane” concept.

Why use F-35 for “first day of war-very dangerous hits”, and not UCAVs

If UCAV prove themselves reliable, they would pose a better solution.

true but the F-35 brings that capability into a a general fighter which is a very hard thing to do

if i may have my 2 cents in this (and to get back on topic)

i personaly think the JSF is more like the F-117 on certain points,
its stealth, it can be used for stealth attacks over areas with heavy AA defences.
but its internal weapons load is far to small for me,
most users would like to carry more then just the internal load, but that increases the RCS, so why buy stealth fighters then.

to me the Royal Navy is better of with a navalised typhoon.
you dont need to have a carrier with catapults, just look at russia (and india).
if they can be launched from a kuznetsov-like carrier, then thats good to.
although i do prefer a catapult take off system, its safer.

as for the RAF, why not try to get lockheed to design a “stripped down for export” version of the F-22. they have a larger weapons load, better agility, range and on some points buying them directly in low but decent numbers would be cheaper then what they have now put into the JSF program.

if the US is so scared of exporting the F-22 as it is, why not take out all the “sensitive” equipent and put in older exsisting equipment (from exs. F-16E/F) instead.

as for that price of 58.7 million per piece, i dont believe that for a second, its propably somewhere like $80 to 90 million a piece, and thats for the A-version, the B-versoin might even near the cost of an F-22.

so in other words;
RAF: Drop F-35 and buy Tranche-3 typhoons (of F-22)
RN: drop F-35 and buy naval typhoons, Rafale M or Super Hornets.

or even better, develop a stealthy Super Harrier GR.11 😀

The idea of small bomb bay being bad. The plane is seen as a “first day of war plane”, where it will take out very dangerous targets with its stealth etc..
At a latter stage, when the threat is significantly reduced, i.e air superiority, sam sites gone, it can carry external stores bringing up the max weapon weight to a normal ground attack aircraft..Thats how the story goes I think……..

Possibly it may have been as in singapore, i.e timescales, or the prohibited purchase of a T3 typhoon to brazil, though I think the initial in service date request was 2014 so it should be enough time to integrate most systems:confused:

For me rafale looks very strong to win this and I would hate the F-18E/F to win 🙁

World is not that simple. Every fighter does operate in an enviroment with some network capability. Normal non fighter will be alerted about something unknown by the on-board radar at first. So first infos will come via data-link to scan the small sector of intrest, when in need to do so or guide own weapons.
When you are alerted about something hostile you can not be surprised by that any longer. Even the AAMs of a stealth fighter has the same problem to defeat your EW-system. In that case the first shooting opportunity does not give a shure kill, but just the first chance to do so. Stealth is more important against ground based AD, because they are fixed and in need of some reaction time or their practical range is reduced. The F-35 has to operate in the 20s (20000+ feet), when outside the manpads and AAA envelope, but in the most deadly zone of SAMs. At that height the fuel consumption of the F-35 is halved compared to low level, when the agility is still high and the own sensors not reduced by terrain masking as it is the own EW-suit. 😉

A specific sensor on the typhoon also knows when its being “painted”, therefore allowing the fighter to take action to counter the missile threat, by advanced radars such as the F-22 crews have found.