Heya :). The best videos displaying the F-22s turn rate are over at F-16.net with links to you tube. This is just one its called a Fish Hook turn and its instaneous turn where the F-22 is doing well above 40 or 50 degrees per second its actually closer to 90 in the initial second and then it does about 160 degrees in 3 seconds or less so averaging out at 53 degrees per second – as you can see from the vid the jet is not going slowly either. But I agree at the speed its traveling and turning at such a rate the G load would become pretty hefty. But as I say toan you really cant compare the videos – and you must remember what the operational conditions are likely to be, the 8 missiles F-22 carries are not adding any penalty to the jet in those turns.

Edit lol I forgot to add the link 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo65qpEdOl8

I’ve seen mirage 2000 prototypes do turns exactly like that, albeit probably at a lower initial velocity.

On the subject of “cool” turns, this is the best I’ve seen yet, velocity vector roll, check it at ; 1:25 onwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOOldlZymw

F-22A flight show in UK, 2008：

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=mMeNz7J0zzo

EF-2000 flight show with one 1000 liter external fuel tank：

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=nypwKZT6MZw

Both fighters had performed traditional horizontal 360-degree turn with afterburners during their flight shows. I think we can calculate the time they need to make a traditional 360-degree turn in these video and make a little comparision…….

According to my personal view and calculation:

1. In the video, it takes Eurofighter (with one 1000 liter external fuel tank) around 18 to 22 seconds to achieve a 360-degree turn, horizontally or vertically.

2. It seems that the time the Raptor needs to achieve a 360 degrees traditional turn is not less than the time the Eurofighter needs to do the same thing. Although Raptor has the much better performance in the skills of high AoA and superagility.

That comparison is a little unfair since that particluar eurofighter has not got full FCS installed, ie only able to pull 8g at the moment, for a real performance turn you need to see some of the test/evaluation/pre production aircrafts at farnborough/paris air diplays, they are far, far more agile. I’ll find a video to show what I mean.

🙂 Mate, what you need to remember is the Raptor has a marginally higher rate of turn than the tiffy and as such seems to have a slightly margianlly lower sustained rate of turn. But thats because its turning faster – which as a result bleeds a lot more energy. If it turned at the same rate as the tiffy it would have a lot more follow on energy for the next set of turns. 🙂

Another thing is, Moga, this year he has been a lot more conservative on the use of the AB. Sustained turn rates really count on the Thrust*Drag / Weight ratio and Lift of the aircraft. TVC really doesnt help much in turn rates at operational speeds *low level/airshow level*, the small magnitude of force it generates is pathetic compared to the lift the wings generate. What it is used for at those speeds is changing the AoA rapidly, but not the turn rate. The F-22 has adopted both the Russian and European ideologies into one jet – the slow stuff and the sustained supersonic agility. Let me also mention the F-22 wont be getting any more draggy than it is in operational conditions.

Just going on what I’ve seen, but I understand what you are saying. Tell you what though, its good to see a decent, areospace qualified engineer on here to make proper statements on things.:) So if you took TVC of the F-22, it still would have a higher sustained turn rate?

Saw a practise demo of the beast on the friday before RIAT. The biggest thing that struck me about the plane was its noise. Honestly was the loudest flipping thing I have ever heard, even louder than the eurofighter. Its display was far more exhilirating than anything russian. They always seem to be a bit underpowered in their manouvers, but the F-22 just accerelerated through them, then very quickly regained its airspeed. It may be doing the same manouvers as the OVT, su-37 etc did X years ago, but there is a certain difference in the sheer controlability, speed and power which the F-22 exercuted them. However for all its awesome hovering, backflips etc, it did not seem as agile as the typhoon, in flight speed turn after turn after turn, it did need a little time to recover airspeed, albeit seconds though!!! :D. If I were to ask, what would the F-22 performance be like without TVC? :confused: Like an F-15 with alot more power?

Sluggish more compare to F-16? ???

Nonsense, please speak after thinking. The Su-30MKI even can did VR which I never saw F-16 did not even F-22.

what is VR?

And yes the su-30mki appears sluggish. It may be able to position itself very well, TVC, however from darting from one peice of the sky to the other, it does not look as good as even the F-16. Like a cheeta vs a bear.

Do you have a link, I’d be interested. I did a search for “typhoon america” on the BBC’s page and all I got was a short article about the upcoming airshow.

ill get it now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7481172.stm

there is a string of videos there, it mentions it on one of them

MiG:

The so-called supercruise is a capability that only F-22 can do as somebody here claimed. And vaguely stated “can compete with F-22”, which was something untrustful.

eurofighter can with substantial load, mach 1.25, two tanks, 4 amraam, 2 asraam. nealry mach 1.45–1.5 clean. It has been demonstarted from the start of the program. It looks like the su-35 has a certain supercrusie capability, such one as the rafale or even the gripen. But the two, at least at the moment, who can do it in any conditions with a decent load is the typhoon and F-22.