Until the 1980s any Warsaw Pact strike aircraft that was sent against the F-104 probably would have been mincemeat as well – Lim-6 or su-7 anyone…
As you all know the F-104 Starfighter sold very well in export sales to US allies. But this jet did nothing more than fly fast supersonically. It lacked maneuverability, range and payload. However in Vietnam it was learned that Mig-15/17/19 could cause a lot of embarrassment to the F-4, a fighter that were believed to outclass any enemy, and the F-105 Thunderchief, which was believed to be an un-touchable low-level/high-speed strike fighter turned out to be easy meat also. However the F-8 Crusader earned the name “Mig Master” and proved to be a capable figher. So do you agree that it was a mistake to ever use the F-104 as a fighter and what would have been a good replacement for it for export sales. I think the obvious choice is the F-8. The Grumman Tiger is a possibility. The Delta Dart has serious aerodynamic problems which caused frontal redesign and I doubt it would have been very maneuverable.
Making a lot of assumptions there, aren’t we? F-105 – easy meat?:rolleyes: And I dare say that the F-104 had as good payload and range as any other aircraft in its class (MiG-21, Lightning) The only real rival to the Starfighter for export sales was the F-5 series – for the same reason as the F-104 – it was cheap and simple…
1. Sikorsky Russky Vityaz
2. Handley Page H.P.42
3. Short Empire
4. Armstrong Whitworth Argosy
Anything else with props would be nice:)
Sikorsky Russky Vityaz
Has there ever been a Flanker in ‘Desert Pink’?:confused:
It’s like China’s Top Gun screw up, but Holiday related!
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They always make that mistake – the last time was in 2006…
I’m not disagreeing with what you said Tango. I’m just saying that I’m impressed to hear that you were there at the time and actually witnessed the event, cool:cool:
Wow!!:eek:
That was fast, Tango!
And you actually witnessed the whole event – and it did get shot down…
That reminds me of the story of the Alpha Jet that was doing a display at Baghdad airport in the 1980s with the view for potential sales to the Iraqi AF. It’s said that during its flight routine it ‘strayed’ a little bit and flew just a little bit too close to Saddam’s palace (or one of them) and was suddenly met with a volley of anti-aircraft fire and was even damaged a bit.:eek:
Nearly forgot about Libya’s F1s, they must be quite old, 1970s vintage? Has France resumed providing support and spare parts for them?
Newly delivered Su-27SM3 (?) for the RuAF.
Aparently part of a contract for 12 signed in 2009, which i assume was over the previously number of Su-27SM upgrades( how many of those were ordered btw?)
Big question is , what are the differences ( if any ) between these newly delivered machines and the previous SM models…engines, avionics…:confused:
Thanks .:)
The difference?
VVS receives first new Su-27SM
In the middle of February the VVS (Russian air force) received the first four of twelve new single-seat multirole Su-27SM fighter aircraft ordered, the contract for which was signed between Sukhoi and the Ministry for Defence during the MAKS-2009 air show in August 2009. The aircraft completed the long-distance transfer flight from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Krymsk airbase (Krasnodar Krai) to join the newly delivered Su-30M2 2-seat multirole fighters, which had arrived at the end of last year. Compared to the previous batch of VVS Su-27SM delivered in the 2003-2009 period and which are KnAAPO modernised versions of in-service Su-27 fighters – the latest machines are newly built.
These new Su-27SMs are, without doubt, produced from surplus Su-27SK airframes which were left over from the cancelled contract with the PRC. These new aircraft have been fitted with new AL-31F-M1 (AL-31F series 42) engines manufactured by MMPP Salyut, which have an increased thrust of 13,500 kgf (29,762 lb) and prolonged service life, along with new systems in equipment and armament, which are even more advanced than the systems fitted to previous Su-27SMs.
http://www.take-off.ru/news/107-news-1-2-2011/561-su-27sm3-02-2011
That’s what I thought to begin. But Gerard did say the photos were taken in Bosnia…
It looks like the remains of an F-86, which the Yugoslav air force operated in the 1950s or so. Question is – what’s that lying on its side to the left, it looks like a dummy Robinson R-22 or something?:confused:
New Mi-35s for Myanmar.
I like the Cessna!;) There was a time when you would never see any of those in Russia – except of course, in Red Square:
actually the original source for that one is airliners.net:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Laos—Air/Harbin-Z-9A-Haitun/1524129/L/
Thank you for that. I try to give a source for all photos. So I take it the photo was ‘doctored’ a little bit – somebody on this tread http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=106462 is complaining about the same thing.
Interesting type, the Z-9, could well steal a few sales from the Mi-8 and maybe a few European and American types as well.