i think you already lost the fight if you dropped below transonic speed,
and i always thought Su-27 outperform F-15 subsonic, but F-15 outperform Su-27 supersonic

There are very few traditional style dogfights which will happen above mach 0.9 – it depends on what you mean by “dogfight”?

you cant just use boeings jumbo jet range as F-35 range, F-35 is shorter ranged than the jumbo too

I’m not.

I am just pointing out that the f-35 doesn’t look less aerodynamically deficient for flying long range than a modern wide-body airliner – so what if the F-35 looks fat.

Incidentally, did the Globalflyer cruise at mach 0.8 – 0.9, or carry a huge payload like the example above?

That is a “clean” airframe, not a “sleek” one.

At subsonic speeds the F-35 is sleek enough – certainly no less sleek than a Boeing 747, and nobody has every called the Jumbo ‘short-legged’.

2 hours ten minutes at 270 knots is not going to be a 900 miles jaunt.

270 knots must be the indicated airspeed, which is normally a lot less than the groundspeed.

Levsha,

Why not let TEEJ reply to my post….after all he was the one who, when I pressed him, categorically said there were no UK assets there ;- )

My point was a Reaper drone would be live streaming footage of the action and the Syrian positions on the heights were identifiable having been there for at a couple of years.

I don’t doubt that there was an allied drone observing the air strikes as they happened – that’s normal correct practice. whether it’s an American, British or Iraqi drone makes no difference, does it?

Anyway this bombing of Syrian government troops operating in their own sovereign country by people from outside who have not been invited by the UN recognised Syrian government is a distraction from the main point of outside forces pumping weapons and jihadist foot soldiers from all over the world to change the regime for their own purposes…..sounds familiar? In Iraq, they asked Madeline Albright if the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it? She said it is was.

Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction….he was armed by the West to take down the mullahs in Iran….a pretty horrible person, but much better than ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Qaeda.

Remember Libya? Gaddafi said you will regret taking me down because you’ll have millions of refugees trying to get to Europe through Libya if I am gone and can’t control them. What happened? Million of refugees at the borders….ask the Italians, the Greeks etc. who is paying for this, other than taxpayers here, is Hilary paying the cost for these refugees after she pushed for intervention in Libya? (in her distasteful video about the killing of Gaddafi sodomised by a knife, she said “we came We saw him and he died *her weird smile*…see it on YouTube).

Hilary knew about the CIA operation to transfer arms from the Libyan stocks (tanks, grad rockets) to Syria via Turkey and Jordan and that’s why those crazy bearded jihadis were in Benghazi….you can read about it in the Wikileaks emails….look at Libya now: full of crazy jihadists and ISIS….another fine mess to sort out (again).

Syria….rinse and repeat….why are we intervening in another’s country’s Sovereign affairs? How would you like other countries sailing up the Thames or Washington (don’t recommend that by the way 😉 because they don’t like the UK or US governments and want to “regime” change? Who gave authority to give weapons and equipment to a bunch of crazy jihadist loonies to launch an illegal war in Syria to subvert the UN recognised government? Is this not a criminal act that should be prosecuted in the International Criminal Court?

Much of this I actually agree with – but what has it got to do with the friendly fire incident?

The ISIS forces were concentrated waiting for the assault which took place an hour after the strike…..the strike was not a one-off mistake but went on for an hour or so and it was only called off after the strike objectives were achieved.

Are you suggesting that the Syrian state army were targeted on purpose? How do you know this?

I said at the time the whole scene would have been lit up and be visible on screen for a UK drone operating there….I asked there were any UK assets there and you said at the time in reply to my specific question that there were none…..but today it was confirmed UK assets were there….were these Reapers TEEJ?

If there was a British Reaper there – was it even in the air at the time of the strikes? Although you would imagine a Reaper was in the air if air strikes were known to have planned and carried in advance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38149963

The US has admitted carrying out an attack in eastern Syria that killed dozens of Syrian forces fighting so-called Islamic State (IS).

The US-led coalition said the “mistake” on 17 September was intended to target IS positions.

Coalition aircraft from the UK, US, Denmark and Australia were involved in the attack.

The airstrikes were halted when Russia informed the US they were hitting Syrian forces.

What you have to remember Tony, is that numerous American, British and other allied service men have been killed and injured by their own side in the last 25 years or so, since the 1991 Gulf war, in numerous friendly fire incidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#1991_Gulf_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#War_in_Afghanistan_2001-14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#Iraq_War_from_2003

so they are not strange and unusual incidents.

And seen as the Americans and other allies have had little experience working, and fighting, with the SAA, an eventual friendly fire incident shouldn’t be surprising.

Kuz’s arrest wires probably have not been repaired yet, so they launched the planes. MiG-29K’s are probably grounded during investigation.

There is a reference in the same Jane’s report that the MiG-29Ks were also seen at the Syrian airbase. Not looking good for the Admiral Kuznetsov.

http://www.janes.com/article/65775/russian-carrier-jets-flying-from-syria-not-kuznetsov

F-35 requires a certain amount of fuel as heat dump, that can never be assumed,

Surely that’s true for all combat aircraft laden with avionics. Surely the radar etc, can be switched of as the aircraft returns home from a mission?