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  • in reply to: Frankenplane Prototypes #2254396
    shadowpuppet
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    In response to a DoD/MoD request for a cheap STOL UCAV, BAe got a welding torch & visited a scrapyard:

    http://i.imgur.com/Pgp5To2.jpg

    ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304222
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    It is entirely plausable that the UAV has little or new tech in it, it could be that the the numerous protestations from the US are there purely to to encourage certain other nations to waste their time, diplomatic capital, and resources on trying to get hold of the much hyped technology.
    Am sure the sensor load in the numerous reaper etc that have been lost before will be much the same.

    It is definitely plausible, but in my opinion there are quite a few other plausible scenarios too.

    The one you postulate above is infinitely less damaging than some of the others and I believe it is in the interests of the US military/CIA to perpetuate it. Hence my scepticism of the reporting.

    That of course does not mean it’s a fabrication – it could be the truth.

    But personally, at this point, given the relative paucity of reliable information, I would not be terribly surprised if this is a hugely more embarrassing and damaging loss than is currently presented.

    Time will tell.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304259
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    A nonsense claim to stay polite. The constant development in technologies will just buy some month in time from that behavior. Just the time-span in need to verify such infos by other sources. The general public has to stay with such urban myth “forever” sometimes, because the parties involved are not intrested to reveal its other sources about that. It is much more difficult to verify the readiness or operational state of something technical.

    What in gods name are you talking about?

    Journalist X is a good boy, he reports favourably, or sympathetically on his nations defence industry/capabilities.

    The department likes his positive writing and give him a call.

    Journalist X is then given behind the scenes access to, for example, the next generation of night vision tech, or he gets a behind the scenes look at a Sentinel or whatever.

    With this exclusive access the publication gets lots of page clicks and revenue. The nation gets to show off its cutting edge wares.

    Everybody is happy.

    Journalist X now has links and he wants the scoop on the crashed drone, he calls his contacts in the department, they give him a briefing and a particular line to come out with:

    “The RQ-170 is a dud, it’s not stealthy, the sensors are run of the mill and there’s almost zero chance of anyone decrypting useful information.”

    He publishes this. Everybody is happy. No heads have to roll.

    On the other hand Journalist Z who is critical and questions defence spending, the technology and specifications, will not get the same privileges and will not get the phone call.

    Or at least, not as often.

    Favouritism is human nature, no fiction, not nonsense.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304280
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    I have not the time to go through stacks of old business cards to find out if I have ever met her. But I would no more judge journalists or any other professional group by the behaviour of a few individuals that I would judge doctors by the behaviour of the late Doctors Crippen and Mengele.

    Funny.

    I’m not implying that all or even a majority of journalists in the Defence/Political sphere operate under the thumb of state interests.

    Just a few well placed ones, some of the time.

    In this specific instance, concerning the drone, I’m dubious about some of the reporters, their sources and their intent.

    I could of course be wrong.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304554
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    I have become acquainted with a sufficient number of aviation and defence journalists of different nationalities over the years (and even the occasional spook of both the eastern and western variety) to be confident that the idea of such briefings and โ€˜quid pro quoโ€™ arrangements is more related to spy novels than to reality.

    Well I guess you’re not acquainted with Judith Miller then

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304706
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    Such fantasies are not unknown. According to an old Fleet Street journalist, during the 1970s a certain Soviet diplomat in London would solemnly assure his Western drinking companions that a secret department within the Pentagon wrote all the defence stories that appeared in Aviation Week, Flight International and Air et Cosmos.

    I dont think they’re actually writing the articles in bunker and mailing them out – it’s a little more subtle:

    Hacks get a briefing from an ex, or current low ranking spook who occasionally gives them a decent tale to tell, in return for which, all he or she asks is for them to peddle propaganda that paints their employers in a favourable, or in this case, the least damaging, light.

    In return they’ll get an “exclusive” on some Cuban spy ring that was trying to steal Burger King recipes, or a first look at a the wonder plane/satellite/toy.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2304890
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    I love how major media has all at once gone on a spree of rubbishing the RQ-170, it’s not really stealthy, the sensors probably arent that great, Iranians wont be able to glean anything useful from it at all.

    Basically, it’s no loss, just forget about it.

    But could we have it back please?

    Hacks being spoon fed and lapping it up.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2306849
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    If they jam GPS, the UAV doesn’t know where it’s going.

    Yeah that makes perfect sense, build a cutting edge stealth UAV, designed to be largely autonomous in hostile environments and dont bother with an Inertial Navigation System.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2306863
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    Engine failure sounds like a realistic hypothesis.

    I cannot envisage how jamming of GPS would cause the INS to fail โ€“ perhaps you meant โ€˜subsequentโ€™ How to deal with instances where GPS and INS gradually or suddenly fail to agree is an issue that designers of navigation systems have not ignored, but the topic is obviously a sensitive one.

    You are absolutely correct, I chose the wrong term, subsequent is what I meant ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2307218
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    I think the most likely explanation is indeed that it suffered a flameout, for whatever reason.

    I’m also reminded of the F-22 bug which occurred a few years back when they crossed the international dateline and their avionics went cuckoo and they had to follow tankers home – in a complex system, things can and do go wrong.

    The question then is, if it suffered an avionics/navigation failure, was that due in part to Iranian jamming/spoofing of for instance, its GPS feed and a consequent failure of the INS, or just that the system couldnt deal adequately with a well designed attack.

    As to covering up the undercarriage: one of the lines put out by the Iranian media/military is that they actually took control of the aircraft, my guess is they didnt and showing the undercarriage up and a damaged belly would have shown quite plainly that they werent really in control – if they were, and they had that level of knowledge, it would have been laughably easy to drop the gear down.

    There are lots of other possibilities, but right now I’m assuming, it’s the real deal and there was a screw up.

    This is pure comedy:
    http://cryptome.org/0005/pentagon-rq170.htm

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2307824
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    in reply to: lol #2371674
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    There have been a number of tantalizing reports of UFO’s from quite reliable witnesses, military and civil pilots for instance: but not one piece of incontravertible evidence – and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    I’m agnostic on the subject – there’s not enough hard evidence, but there’s a lot of circumstantial evidence.

    IMO, the biggest enemy to any real research of UFO’s is not some dark world government conspiracy, it’s the stark raving mad ufologists who jump on any piece of evidence, however poor, and declare it a smoking gun of extraterestrial visitation.

    Anyway – this should probably be in general chat right? ๐Ÿ˜›

    in reply to: Air Action Over Libya (Merged) #2317016
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    EC-130H off Libya using callsign SHEEN 53 ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: Air Action Over Libya (Merged) #2317611
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    GBU’s

    in reply to: Those mothballed RR Pegasi… #2325432
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    Thanks folks, that’s one hairbrained scheme knocked on the head ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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