SlowpokeThis is not 1994 but 2008. Russia has the money to buy enemies and intelligece. And make counter insurgency operations low cost. West hasnt faced any such thing what Russia faced in Afghanistan/Tajikistan/Chechnya with little hard currency. Opposite forces were well funded and supplied.
And with that post you have shown me just how out of touch with reality you are. I shall ‘debate’ with you no longer, have a good day sir.
SlowpokeWhy they need to test against B-2/F-22 size targets. The can test against even physcially very small drone at low altitude.
Physical size has no real bearing on stealth, for all we know that ‘very small drone at low altitude’ had an RCS of a airliner, it means absolutly nothing.
Slowpokefor Hawk/Patroit they will simply bombard the place with Iskander/Smerch missiles and missiles from long range bombers. MIG-31/Su-27/A-50 duty is to protect those assets. They exactly know how to fight low cost wars.
Yep bombard the SAM sites with SSMs, just like they so successfully did aginst little tiny Georgia :diablo:. However I do not think the shot down pilots would agree with you, perhaps you should be ‘running the show’ in the Russian military, they could certainly do with your help! How exactly do they know how to fight low cost wars either, Checynia was a bloody disaster and very costly in terms of life and money for the Russians. You really need to think before you speak Son.
SlowpokeMIG-31 radar power to detect and lock on stealth targets.
So they have tested it against the F-22 and B-2 i take it? No of course they havn’t its all wild propaganda which you are swallowing whole.
Besides it won’t matter how powerfull your radar is it will not change the laws of physics and radar returns.
SlowpokeWhile I don’t deny financial supremacy of US Armed Forces over Russian military, US, too, could have used the money spent on Raptor programme someplace else. In a situation where you need a BIG searchlight to find one HMMWV in Iraq adequately equipped to withstand a direct encounter with an IED, keeping and maintaining a force of aircraft having no real use other than scoring on Red Flag, where a replacement milspec screw costs more than a fully functional Kalashnikow rifle, is pretty much blatant ignoration of one’s own fellow soldiers..
Huh, where have you been for the last four years? Your incredibly out of date in terms knowledge of US forces vehicles in Iraq and why some Hummers are left unarmoured on purpose. Infact the whole thing about ignoration of fellow soldiers is testament to your knowledge of the Iraq war and what systems and kit soldiers have.
Seriously i say this politly – go do some research on the Iraq war as its as if you are still reading news from the first year of that conflict.
I’m honestly shocked by how out of touch you are on the matter, are you one of those guys who breathlessly shouts ‘quagmire’ everytime a soldier stubs a toe?
SlowpokeLike much to do with the Russian military and putinthink currently, it reminds me of Cold War matters – doesn’t that ‘colour scheme’ remind you of the early days of the V Force..?
Is it actually anti flash paint though ?
SlowpokeWhat mean Bill Sweetman about the straight inlets of the Su-35.
The main source of the Su-35’s head-on RCS is the inlets. The straight duct provides direct visibility for the entire face of the engine compressor. While this may be good aerodynamics, Bill Sweetman noted that “the inlet might have been designed to advertise the fighter’s presence at the greatest possible range.”;)
And this gigantic 90° tailplane and big is not always better.:diablo:
What are your saying? Is the flanker a disaster from an RCS viewpoint?
SlowpokeQuestion: Does the fact there has been an awfully slow production rate for the Su-34, two a year built or something mean the chances of any potential customer wanting to purchase the SU-35 could be seriously put off.
Can Russian aircraft factorys pump out an adequate number of these beasts to satisfy thier customers? I have my doubts looking at SU-34 production. Not even whacko Hugo Chavez is going to want to wait twenty years for a full fleet of say thirty aircraft. I do have my doubts if the Russians can produce these quick enough.
SlowpokeI never denied the fact that a fleet of upgraded MiG-31s is an absolute waste of money… But for handling whole fleets of enemy bombers which never come anyway they surely are good enough 😉 Just like Raptors handling whole fleets of fighters, which, too, never come 😉
Well its far better to be safe then sorry, hence the need for fighters like the Raptor and the USAF are in a far superior financial state to be able to afford such systems compared to the RuAF which frankly needs every penny it can get, you can’t deny it that this money for upgrading the Mig-31 would be far more usefull to the RuAF spent elsewhere. I imagine confidence cannot be very high in the RuAF in the flanker series to deal with the likes of the Raptor if they are grasping at straws like this to upgrade the 31’s to be able to defeat 5th gen fighters.
Sounds like the PAK-FA is desperatly needed…
Slowpokerusssians make weaponry and detection systems to enable the Mig-31 to deal with F-22 like threats , and to also to deal with the hypersonic crafts
Your working for the Russian propaganda office now i see, must be a fun job. You call others sheeple but the fact of the matter is here that if anyone is a ‘sheeple’ it is you sir, swallowing every bit of RuAF and Commander Mikhailov’s nonsense propaganda while reeling off brouchre facts and figures about the Mig-31 without seemingly having any real clue about air warfare.
This upgrade of the 31 was never designed to match the the so far unmatched capabilities of 5th gen fighters but to extend operational life of an alredy obselete system, now as i have explained before Commander Mikhailov is hardly going to turn round and issue a press statement saying “the new upgraded mig-31 is a match for 4th gen fighters but obviously no match for 5th gen fighters” like we all can see except you, why no he’s going to (have to) say what he said. You can bet your money on it that Mikhailov knows its no match for 5th gen fighters but his head would be on a plate if he said otherwise!
Mods should lock this thread as its only serving to humiliate Manson.
SlowpokeVenezuela interested in Russian Su-35 fighter
I’m guessing this could perhaps lead to increased aid to Colombia from the Americans?
SlowpokeSlowpoke/Schorsch, under current circumstances there is exactly as little need for F-22 as there is for upgraded MiG-31s but don’t let the facts go into the way of your reasoning.
I wouldn’t say its so much about needs but more about priorities, this money could definatly be better spent else where where its actually needed eg PAK-FA, upgrading flankers, paying for proper flight hours for pilots, updating the frogfoot fleet to be able to employ PGMs and not just dumb bombs and rockets, repairing and sorting out airbase infastructure, sorting out a new/upgraded AWACs the list is endless and that money is much more needed to the Russians then money that was spent on the Raptor program by the Americans.
Slowpokecurrently the number of numbers of hours , for which Ruaf pilots train is increasing , thanks to high russian petro and gas profits
Ok so hours are going up but from what figure? Is it they used to fly six hours a year and now eight? Do you not have any figures for the actual hours they get and not just the standard Russian response of ‘they are going up because we are now wealthier’.
I’m in agreement with Schorsch when he says they would be better off scraped. To me its like trying to dress up a ford Capri to compete with a Evo 10 or Porcshe.
SlowpokeOh come on now Manson you don’t honestly believe the claims spouted by the Russian commander do you?
Of course it will be better then the old mig-31 but he’s got to say its going to be able to beat the Raptors and other stealth aircraft for not wanting to seem weak. I bet you any money the guy knows very well that its no match for a Raptor but he sure as hell wouldnt be stupid enough to say such a thing in public would he now for obvious reasons. How many hours a year do the RuAF mig-31 pilots get too?
Slowpokein terms of BVR capabilities ,upgraded mig-31 will be match for F-22
to deal with f-22 in WVR, su-35bm or mig-35 will be sufficient , as they have 3d tvc , while f-22 has 2d tvc
How the hell is an interceptor with an RCS the size of a football stadium, poor manuverability and a radar thats acts like a lighthouse any match for a Raptor?
As for the Su-35 being a match in WVR combat yeah sure it might be, good luck (and oh boy are you going to need it) getting it there in the first place though.
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