FYI, ATD-X Shinshin was RCS measured in France, because only the US ad France had such RCS measuring facilities.

Again on this: Alenia Aeronautica Adds State of the Art Anechoic Chamber to Turin Test Facilities

It would be Farsi and not Arabic, anyway I already quoted in my previous message:

A snapshot of Iranian TV Chanell 1, says the flying plane is a smaller model of it, not the real one.

Now I posted the video to give an idea of the scale of the model and how far from flying is the thing shown in the pictures of the static presentation.

So does the Hawk and the M-346, in sustained G KPP.

The gap between them and the T-50 would only grow, not narrow, as the T-50 wouldn’t need a structural modification to meet the sustained G KPP and meets them as is while the Hawk and the M-346 would grow costlier, heavier, and need thirstier engine to push heavier modified airframes.

BTW, Lockheed’s considering replacing the engine with F414, which would suggest that current T-50’s acceleration and supersonic speed wasn’t good enough and they would need even higher acceleration than what they have right now which was significantly better than what the M-346 and the Hawk have to begin with.

So what are you doing here? Are you convinced that T-50 is going to win the T-X context? Fine! Move along nothing to see here. The deal is already decided – your beloved bird won, spend your money on a Mumm magnum bottle to celebrate the KAI triumph, have fun and stop polluting this thread.

Or are you trying to win sympathy for the T-50 or to convince that it is the only a/c suited to win the contest? In this case you failed! Your blatant attitude is not winning any sympathy. Once again, move along.

No one is agreeing with your nationalist assertions, no matter how many times you keep repeating your lies.

You are confused here; there is no final KPP, only a preliminary incomplete partial KPP for a vendor feedback. This one lacks the mandatory minimum max speed figure as the USAF has yet to decide whether to go supersonic or stay subsonic, which depends on the number of bidders offering supersonic airframes(KAI, Boeing, and Saab)

And it happens that you know any definitive and complete requirements?
For the supersonic speed you chose these definitive and complete requirements while for the load factor you chose to refer to the preliminary and incomplete KPP????
Moreover, Saab is not intersted in the program, they will not ever produce a 2 seat version of their new Gripen. Also this was pointed out several time here.

The USAF requires 6.5 sustained G as listed in the preliminary KPP. Neither M-346 nor Hawk can meet this as is.

Again the USAF does not require 6.5 sustained G but the requirement is 6.5G “for no less than 15 seconds using no more than 15 degrees nose low attitude at 80% fuel weight between an altitude of 10,000 and 20,000 feet” – which is different from 6.5 sustained G.

The M-346 is able to attain a maximum load factor of 8 G at sea level and 5.5 circa sustained G in level flight at 15,000 ft (most probably at full fuel, since usually this is the dimensioning condition for this kind of specifics).

Are you aware that an altitude of less then 15.000 feet the air is more dense and therefore the lift at low incidence increases? At 10000 feet and 15 degrees nose low also the engines thrust increases vs. the one at 15.000 feet.

In fact the M-346 is abale to attain 8 g at sea level!

I am feed up with your attitude of defending your favorite aricraft without any clue.

That would be quite a different concept.

Nevertheless, as far as I know, he has not denied what euobserver.com reported. Such a denial would be much appreciated.

French colonel: France better off alone in Mali

“In Afghanistan, you have some countries who really fight and others who do very little. For example, the German contingent and the Italian contingent don’t have a combat role. There are many countries who do not want to fight, so working in the coalition is very tough,” he noted.

And

The EU doesn’t know how to wage war. It’s not prepared to launch military operations of this type [Mali],” Goya said.

http://euobserver.com/defence/118858

This is very interesting and chimes with what many observing from the sidelines have said in that past.

This is not very intersting it is just plain BS, I don’t know if it is just a sign of ignorance or the colonel is in complete bad faith.
Anyway this officer shows no respect for the 52 Italian casulaties and the 56 German casualties who died in A-stan since the start of the operations, let alone for the military efforts of the involved Countries.

I invite the “many oserving from the sidelines” to find better sources on that conflict.

Sorry remove the Spanish light carrier but the Italians have 2 carriers that still leaves 5 European carriers and 4 helicopter carriers at this time and the French are looking for a new carrier.

Thanks for the nice picture of the Cavour, I have a more recent one with the “new” 76/6 Strales :cool:.

Anyway to be fair, about the Italian Navy, the Garibaldi is unable to operate the F-35 and works to revert the ship to a Helicopter carrier are already in progress.

I was referring to the above posters Fedaykin,
I posted my last reply at the same time of yours and could not read it on time.

I appreciate your efforts to make UK industry perspective on the program more clear.

And still I think there is nothing constuctive or appropriate to the subject of this thread in many of the latest above comments.