training wise, the yak and the italian plane are compromised because they can’t offer a full spectrum of training experiences offered by a supersonic

I beg to differ. They are compromised because they are not trisonic, which notoriously has been a mandatory requirement for LIFTs operated by major services around the world.

This definitive statement of yours should have been applied also before the quadrisonic F-35 was close to be acquired by aviations like Singapore’s Angkatan Udara, Italy’s AM and Israel’s Heyl Ha’Avir that never flown a/c faster then the F-35. Oh, wait a moment, they have all chosen the M-346 as a LIFT. They must be wrong, their selected LIFT is not supersonic, bisonic or trisonic. Avionics is a just a piece of crap that puts such a burden on the take off weight of an aircraft. Thorw it out of the A/C! Speed is the one and only requirement for a LIFT.

Hurry Celebriton, email them services down and enlighten that buch of weirdos with your findings. Also the pesky Voenno-vozdušnye sily Rossijskoj Federacii should be informed about your findings: their past, present and future training needs are all wrong, and incorrectly defined. And we should soon see some T-50s (the Korean bird) proudly sporting the Red Star, just because they are supersonic.

Maybe they all revert their wrong decisions and you’ll let us proudly know their replies thanking you for your kind enlightments.

Oh, for the ones following this thread from earlier days, is Slowman back in some form?

Roll-Out of first M-346 for Israeli Air & Space Force

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Edit: I just saw that this new was already posted in the now sticked Aviation News thread. Anyway I think that this last post of mine is not off topic here.

I don’t know, these pictures generated surprise also on the Italian forums. It seems that longsightedness is a virtue particularry lacking here, since the fittings are just prelusive for implementing the CFTs. Even if the at the moment AMI thinks it’s not intersted in implementing the CFTs, why the heck also slam any possibility of a future change of mind?

Let’s wait for the German IPA8. We’ll see soon if only the RAF (RSAF?) is intersted in the CFTs.

I am glad that you could buy this kind of “Nothing comes close” marketing. And I am sure that if you are willing to buy it, you could also be intersted in buying a piece or another that it happens I am in exclusive charge for sale at very intersting prices just for a few more days.

Special discounts apply for buying at least 2 of the 3 presented items.

I hope that you could appreciate this friendly skeptimism towarrd what you posted and on a more serious note please before of discussing of any future Mig-41:

1) Can you please give us an update on the status of the more basic Mig-35? As an aviation enthusiast I could welcome a concept like the Mig-41 you tried to describe above, but I would love to fly at a certain safe altitude before reaching 40 k feet. at the moment Mikoyan Gurevich seems to fly at avery low level, even vs. Sukhoi is reaching right now.

2) Can you give us any reason for Russia spending bilions in discutible military concepts after Soviet Union collapsed also for a non sustinable military expenditures? Is Russia going to make the same errors that USSR did just a few decades ago? Oh and please don’t mention me anything about Ukraina. Before anything like the supposed Mig-41 would have the maiden flight, Mr. Putin would be probably already been proplerly mummified and sanctified.

Who would have tought! USAF will fly the Yak..coufh Alenia design after all 🙂
Who will chip in on my bet that the T-100 will differ very little on the exterior design from the Yak-130.. coufh, i meant M-346?

Ahem, USAF will not start the tender until next years. And there is no sure winner for the contest. BTW the avionics, engines, and most of subsystems on the M-346 are different from the ones used on the Yak, and such elements count more then the exterior design. Anyway we could discuss in a civil manner all these aspects in the related topic, since there are no more slow men around.

It seems that F-16 Block 61 is arriving: United Arab Emirates – Equipment in Support of a Direct Commercial Sale of F-16 Block 61 Aircraft

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has requested a possible sale of equipment in support of its commercial purchase of 30 F-16 Block 61 aircraft and to support the upgrade of its existing F-16 Block 60 aircraft. Major Defense Equipment includes: 40 20mm M61A Guns; and 40 Embedded GPS Inertial Navigation Systems. Also included: Identification Friend or Foe Equipment; Joint Mission Planning System; night vision devices; Cartridge Activated Device/Propellant Activated Devices; Weapons Integration; spare and repair parts; tools and test equipment; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documentation; International Engine Management Program – Component Improvement Program; repair and return; aerial refueling support; ferry maintenance and services; site surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and l ogistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support.

The estimated cost is $270 million

Can anybody give any suggestion for such a low price ($270 million) for the acquisition of 30 new state of the art a/c + updating of a fleet of circa 80 Block 60?

New crash in this start of 2014 AB-206 of Italian Army crashes. The Pilot and Gen. Calligaris, Chief of the Army Aviation did not survive. (In Italian)

It seems that the start of 2014 is not very happy for Military Aviation security. I have no joy in posting or accounting this kind of news, but it seems that as of today, this is the list of major Military a/c accidents, for about just 3 weeks:

Jinan,
I have been studying the development of the new units of MM to take over the Soldati, Minerva, and Cassiopea classes from years now, and it happens that I have read years ago the outdated document you just posted here.

The renderings of the ships you posted above, and the whole document, refer not to UPADs, but to a previous concept, a more traditional ship, named clearly also for non-Italian speakers, who have the will to follow our conversation, at pages 22 and 23 of document you posted, as PAM, Pattugliatore dï Altura multiruolo (Multirorle OPV). A concept much more in line with the evolving trends of other european navies, IMHO.

Now admiral De Giorgi, changed and twisted the programming lines indicated previously in the document you posted, and succeded to make pass in the Italian Parliament the acquisition of 8 (out of planned number of 12) UPADs.

Read again the document on the Defensenews to see the specifications of these ships that will not be OPVs:

The baseline design offers two cannons � a 127mm gun in the bow and a 76mm gun at the stern (both fitted with intelligent Davide and Vulcano pointing and munitioning systejms) � along with a hangar for two NH90 helicopters, the option of carrying containers or small boats on deck, and a varying number of launch cells for the Aster 30 missile. Some of the vessels could mount the Scalp Naval missile, or as an alternative, the Tomahawk cruise missile, he said.

To reach 35 knots, a water jet could be added to the traditional propulsion, De Giorgi said. Moving at that speed with containers piled on board would not threaten the stability of the vessel, he added.

It happens that NH90s are NOT the lightest choppers around. So just from this detail you can figure out the actual displacement of these vessels – 5500 tons. Do you know how many VLS cells are planned to be implemented for ASter 30, and possibly SCALP naval and Tommy missiles on these new UPADs? Up to 48 (!). The Chief of staff obviously pretends that sensors and radar will be state of the art, and do you realize the contradiction of a requirement of 35 knots of speed for vessels that should constitute the 2nd line of MM?

350 € each vessels my ar**, it would be an economic bloodbath just for the acquisition, not to consider operating costs. These ships look more equipped and armed then the recently acquired FREMMs. and 48VLS cells are of no use to rescue migrants out of Lampedusa island. Hopefully Italy does not plan to wage war at China in the next 20 years, and although we blindly confirm our abiding to NATO directives and to related possibility of multilateral interventions, 8-10 FREMM frigades, 2 Horizon/Doria classs DGGs, one small carrier equipped with some 8 F-35 and available 7 months out of 12 on average, some assault ships ranging from the previous carrier Garibaldi to the smallest LHD in service should suffice.

For the rest of the needs of a nation with the coastal extension of Italy, after abiding to the NATO requirements with other assets, I deem much more effective a design similar to the one you posted, deployed in sufficient numbers, then the new concept pursued by admiral De Giorgi.