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  • in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates #2254782
    Glendora
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    Indeed, it makes sense for a single a/c: http://theaviationist.com/2013/06/10/icelandic-2013/#.UbiZMZwVTpc

    Anyway initially I misunderstood what m3bobby meant by “dropped into Lossie” and had a pant. 😛

    in reply to: QEC Construction #2000213
    Glendora
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    I notice the Agusta aw609 is being uprated by the way….

    In what role you would use the AW609? In this century thinking of adapting a commercial a/c like the AW609 for military use is a no way (but for commuting and secondary roles). Military and civil aircraft are conceived and designed in a very different way.

    The AW609 could just be used for cargo and maybe air-refuelling (edit: given the low range and max weight of the 609, I cannot see an effective use for air refuelling too) after several and difficult adaptions. A different solution would be much more versatile and effective.
    And BTW there are some problems also for the civil certification of the AW609: AgustaWestland AW609 certification slips to 2017

    Certification of the AgustaWestland AW609 tiltrotor has slipped to 2017 as the Anglo-Italian helicopter manufacturer wrestles with an ambitious development programme and regulatory uncertainty over how to approve a concept never previously used for civil applications.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates #2254923
    Glendora
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    Tweet from Sergio De Mitri via @ItalianAirForce, @AleniaAermacchi and Eurofighter_1.

    “DAC Training between @ItalianAirForce Eurofighter and Swiss F-18.”

    http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/News/PublishingImages/Eurofighter%20del%204%20Stormo%20in%20volo%20con%20F18%20svizzeri_100613/Gli%20Eurofighter%20e%20gli%20F18%20in%20volo%20sulle%20Alpi.jpg

    Picture taken from the AMI website reporting the DACT (In Italian): http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/News/Pagine/Eurofighterdel4StormoinvoloconF18svizzeri_100613.aspx

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2255354
    Glendora
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    Just a concept for the most expensive business jet ever (which most probably will be never built).

    Military a/c are designed and built in a very different way from civil aircarft. I think you ‘d rather post this new in the relevant section of this forum.

    Glendora
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    “you” who?
    Please refer to the original post to see that every zone/country you mentioned was addressed too.

    in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Tornado #2261957
    Glendora
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    GBU-31 I guess?

    Most probably a GBU-32, as eagle wrote. Although wikipedia reports of GBU-31 acquired by AMI, this sounds a bit strange to me. Note the offical AMI website about operation Odissey Dawn and Unified Protector in the panoplia used by AMX and Tornado does not make any mention of GBU-31s: http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/Operazioni/Internazionali/Pagine/Libia%282011%29_eng.aspx

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2262679
    Glendora
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    The FACO cannot manufacture a wing. and will likely end up assembling F-35s where the wing came from Israel.

    FACO means Final Assembly and CheckOut. In other words, it’s where they put all the parts together, not where they make the parts.

    During its lifetime, the FACO will be converted to a Maintenance and Upgrade Facility which will then handle more serious maintenance on the F-35 and hardware upgrades.

    Spudman,
    thank you for trying to enlight me on the FACO, but I am afraid that I know by first hand a thing or 2 (more then the acronym) about the structure in Cameri, so maybe on this particular matter, you should better read then write.
    The FACO costed to Italy about 800 million Euro (to superadd to the 1 billion Euro for the partnership in R&D for the program, already spent by Italy and to the effective costs for the acquisition of the a/c), and was presented as an opportunity just not for the final assemblage of the Italian and Dutch F-35, but also as a factory for the production of wings.

    An initial contract was signed for about 100 WCT components, and the production already started.
    See among the many links available on the internets (:P): http://www.sldinfo.com/the-italian-f-35-faco-a-key-asset-in-the-global-f-35-support-system/

    The Italians have the opportunity build up to 800+ wings for the JSF program. They are currently building the WCT (Wing Carry Through) components for the wing and have already delivered three sets supporting USAF F-35s in LRIP 5. They have started production of a Full Wing as well as continued production of WCT in LRIP 6 and 7. They are also adding the build of Outer Wing Box components in LRIP 6 and 7 that will support both USAF and Italian full wings.

    Or, if you keep not trusting me or websites like sldinfo.com, visit the offical website of the AMI. I guess you can’t read Italian, but look at the second picture, showing a wing being produced: http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/News/Pagine/IlCapodiSMAvisitalaFACOaCameri_080513.aspx

    After that the contract awarded to Israel (again a mere buyer of the a/c off the shelf, not a partner nation) for the production of wings, the same contract Alenia was bidding for, cut the wings to any perspectives for substantiual orders for production at FACO. In the meantime the Netherlands are considering to cut the orders, further making FACO a bad investment. Again and again, your assumption:

    Considering all the money that will be coming in from the FACO over the next three decades… I think not.

    has no basis.

    If you insist that in the FACO no wing could be manufactured at all (and so less money will come in from the partnership), please inform Alenia, the AMI (involved in the structure and showing a wing produced at Cameri on its website, insisting that money still could come in from the production of wings) and the Parliamment, to further backup the ones here that claim that the italian partnership is a no way.

    I see that you are trying to support the program from the first pages of the original thread, without any incertitude; but often what you write transpires an american-centric point of view and a certain disregard for the capacities of the involved partner nations, that in the long term will not back up your claims for the absolute need and superiority of this particular weapon system, especially for the partners involved.

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2262707
    Glendora
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    Hello,
    nothing new to see. The leftiest parties here in Italy have been pushing for years for the cancellation of the partnership. The F-35 debate in Italy is huge, both between aviation enthusiast and other people.

    There could be further cuts or more possibly delays in the acquisition program (BTW many observers don’t support at all the choice of the AMI to buy 15 F-35B, a choice maybe aimed to undermine the Navy aviation).

    Nevertheless for the moment the opposition call has no impact. The debate is open on the money that “will be coming in from the FACO” as Spudman wrote, money that most probably will not be so big vs. the expensive investment in the FACO.

    Israel, a non partner nation, secured offsets in the constructions of wings, a contract that will undermine the manufacturing prospects for the FACO in in Italy, 2nd level partner for the program.

    We could see any future changes for the acquisition program by Italy, but really the opposition call was the obviousest rhetorical try to dismount any military expenses, pretending that the F-35 is the only A/C able to deliver the B-61 nukes, and therefore is an evil instument of mass destruction.

    Glendora
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    While it would be interesting sticking to the discussion of the title of this thread: “How would you re-build the Argentinean military aviation?”, I deem of no interest for this forum adiscussion about a hypothetic Falkland/Malvinas war act II, the Revenge.

    I am not sure at all that any Argentinean Government or the Argentinean people would consider entering in another conflict, even though they may consider a surge in the military expenses for other reasons.
    The previous experience was not healthy for the dictator Galtieri, not even for the Argentinean people, even if eventually it helped to speed up getting rid of the dictatorship.

    If somebody feels excited at considering a wargame, well I think this forum does not fit to him/her.

    For the rest, I support the choice for modernized Mirage F-1, like the upgraded ones Dassault is promoting in these days.

    in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Tornado #2269285
    Glendora
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    A few pix of Italian tornados.

    http://www.flugzeug-bild.de/bilder/tornado-11345.jpg

    http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/991/tornado20del2015620nel2zt7.jpg

    http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2964/67820674.jpg

    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/a-014.jpg

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2271956
    Glendora
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    USAF officials issued a “request to industry” (not to Alenia) to manufacture and deliver C-27J aircraft

    The Air Force is set to discard 21 C-27Js before the end of fiscal year 2013, yet service officials still issued a request to industry on May 10 for proposals to purchase even more of the same exact aircraft that will likely sit in the boneyard.

    The official request is here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=986d0e885ca30ba800767abc945eb4c4&tab=core&_cview=0

    Now maybe I am missing something, but it seems that the USAF, after deciding of decommissioning the freshly acquired C-27 does not acnowledge any intellectual, industrial or property right to Alenia for the C-27. In fact, from the official request:

    The Air Force Life-Cycle Management Center (AFLCMC) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio is conducting market research to identify potential sources that possess the expertise, capabilities, and experience to manufacture and deliver C-27J aircraft. Responses to this survey will be used to influence the program’s acquisition strategy.

    Feel free to bid if you think that you can manifacture and deliver the C-27 aircarft. But not later than 31 May 2013. Also small firms and economically disadvantaged business could respond to this request (!). Anyway, the government will not reimburse participants for any information or expenses associated with their participation in this survey.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates #2272046
    Glendora
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    It’s always nice to read about Spanish Typhoons, thanx Aereo and BME330.

    Hi Thobbes!

    In Spain, squadrons don’t have “assignated airframes” (number of fighters by squadron is not a fixed number), it’s the Ala (Wing) which has the airplanes and split them between the different squadrons depending on availability and needs (i.e. now one squadron has 12 fighter and the other 24, and the next month it’s the opposite). Although, yes, the idea it’s about 18 Typhoon by squadron (36 by Wing) in 4 squadrons (72 Typhoons).
    We don’t know how the proposed sale works here.

    Anyway for Thobbes, who seems to be intersted in all the European services, I could confirm that also in Italy there is similiar assignment of aircraft. Aircraft are assigned to wings (Stormi),in particular to the maintnaneace group of the wing (GEA, Gruppo Efficienza Aeromobili). In turn, the GEA assigns the aircraft to the squadrons (Gruppi) on weekly basis, based on the squadrons needs.

    So also in the AMI, it’s not so infrequent to see Typhoons (or Tornados, or AMX) spotting the marks of a squadron being flight by pilots of another squadron.

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2273716
    Glendora
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    :apologetic:
    Not good. Was it an out-of-envelope ejection? or an ejection seat failure?

    Further update (some news are someway in contrast):

    The pilot snagged in the trees, apparently cut the ropes of the parachute or elseway fell down from 4 meters, getting a spinal fracture.

    A gallery of images of the crashed a/c is available on this page: http://fromtheskies.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/m-346-precipita-in-valbormida-salvo-il-pilota/

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2013 #2273834
    Glendora
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    Hmmm…
    That is the second crash. The first occurring after the Dubai airshow in 2011.

    Yes we know. Investigations are underway. Contrarily to what was initally reported, the pilot is seriously injured.

    in reply to: Snap shot of European fighter fleets #2278857
    Glendora
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    Eventually it did its task efficiently.

    At least the few remaining birds seems in good shape, from what I heard. For the few ones intersted in the type, have a look at this gallery from a spotter site: http://webcommunity.ilvolo.it/70-anni-del-103-gruppo-del-51-stormo-t19752.html
    pictures taken a few weeks ago for the 70 years of the 103rd squadron. Some very intersting special colors…

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